APA QRG
05-25-2023, 03:01 PM
#11
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Position: Regional A320 CA
Posts: 16
Originally Posted by spooldup
I swear if our NC doesn't try to come close to this and match *WHATEVER is in the CURRENT year's PAY, for first year pay then % increase from there* I will be upset. I dont want 2023 pay rates in 2026 or 2027.
We CANNOT be so far behind this time. This is industry standard and these airlines are showing us this. Spirit and JB are NOT what we should be near, their pay is current hold over until a new JCBA and if it doesnt happen, they will negotiate new CBAs themselves.
our management cannot keep this airline running if we get a subpar contract. I, as well as many others will be out the door to any of the other legacies in a heart beat and F9 will forever be a regional taking fresh ATPs with a turnover equal to OO. They will be forcing upgrades and suffering trying to keep people past 3 years.
These airlines have also shown that seats matter. 319/320/321/321neo rates all usually different. If we dont have AT LEAST the other airlines 320/1 rates.... ridiculous first TA to even push through to us. Especially since we are getting Mostly 321neos for the foreseeable future with 240 seats.
We CANNOT be so far behind this time. This is industry standard and these airlines are showing us this. Spirit and JB are NOT what we should be near, their pay is current hold over until a new JCBA and if it doesnt happen, they will negotiate new CBAs themselves.
our management cannot keep this airline running if we get a subpar contract. I, as well as many others will be out the door to any of the other legacies in a heart beat and F9 will forever be a regional taking fresh ATPs with a turnover equal to OO. They will be forcing upgrades and suffering trying to keep people past 3 years.
These airlines have also shown that seats matter. 319/320/321/321neo rates all usually different. If we dont have AT LEAST the other airlines 320/1 rates.... ridiculous first TA to even push through to us. Especially since we are getting Mostly 321neos for the foreseeable future with 240 seats.
05-25-2023, 07:08 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,394
Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69
What does any of this matter when I keep reading that contract negotiations last 4 years at frontier? By that time it will all have changed again.
It'll be 3 years and we will end up half way between Spirit and DL/AA rates.
05-25-2023, 07:57 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: Hot tub
Posts: 1,348
Originally Posted by Aero1900
These new contracts (Delta and AA) will be the bar that we use to negotiate. Of course the company will try to use the Spirit rates as a target.
It'll be 3 years and we will end up half way between Spirit and DL/AA rates.
It'll be 3 years and we will end up half way between Spirit and DL/AA rates.
05-25-2023, 08:55 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,093
Originally Posted by Aero1900
These new contracts (Delta and AA) will be the bar that we use to negotiate. Of course the company will try to use the Spirit rates as a target.
It'll be 3 years and we will end up half way between Spirit and DL/AA rates.
It'll be 3 years and we will end up half way between Spirit and DL/AA rates.
05-26-2023, 03:42 AM
#16
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Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,394
Originally Posted by Stayontarget
Fortunately Spirit rates will probably be bumped to Jetblue rates by then further raising the bar.
05-26-2023, 07:24 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Lineholder
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
We can sure hope so. Things move so slowly though. I'm sure that management's opening offer will be the current Spirit rates
Our current contract currently pays $100+ less PER HOUR than the AA AIP. Think about that. That’s $7500/month or $90k per year. That figure doesn’t include direct contribution (which is a higher percentage on top of higher amounts of pay), holiday pay that was just scored, new reassignment language that pay premium, profit sharing and MANY others.
Once this AIP goes into affect, we will be making approx $100,000 less per year for all CAs 7 yrs and below.
I didn’t think it was possible but we may be further behind now than in our previous contract negotiation.
05-26-2023, 07:41 AM
#18
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Position: 1900D CA
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Originally Posted by dracir1
As mentioned previously, we are on average 40% behind. That means if we get a 35% raise, we are still making less in some pay bands.
Our current contract currently pays $100+ less PER HOUR than the AA AIP. Think about that. That’s $7500/month or $90k per year. That figure doesn’t include direct contribution (which is a higher percentage on top of higher amounts of pay), holiday pay that was just scored, new reassignment language that pay premium, profit sharing and MANY others.
Once this AIP goes into affect, we will be making approx $100,000 less per year for all CAs 7 yrs and below.
I didn’t think it was possible but we may be further behind now than in our previous contract negotiation.
Our current contract currently pays $100+ less PER HOUR than the AA AIP. Think about that. That’s $7500/month or $90k per year. That figure doesn’t include direct contribution (which is a higher percentage on top of higher amounts of pay), holiday pay that was just scored, new reassignment language that pay premium, profit sharing and MANY others.
Once this AIP goes into affect, we will be making approx $100,000 less per year for all CAs 7 yrs and below.
I didn’t think it was possible but we may be further behind now than in our previous contract negotiation.
05-27-2023, 10:21 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by JoeFever1
Bankruptcy contracts? AA at least…
The airline to worry about, IMHO, is United (and to some degree SWA).
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