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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Post 4007041)
JetBlue -
they would probably have to be declaring bankruptcy like F9 was doing |
Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Post 4007041)
JetBlue. - Frontier would probably end up painted blue in this case. ;)
Filler words. |
Breeze is still trying to figure things out. JetBlue hasn’t made money since 2019. Competition is fierce. ULCCs have been feeling the pain. Cost cutting and ancillary revenues will be the name of the game. F9 is probably the strongest of the three but F9 is trying to figure out how to make consistent profits. I think F9 should go it alone at this point. I pay increase is probably not in the near future but I think F9 will be ok. JB continues to lose money. They need to dump weak routes, and severely cut costs. Their premium products can make them some cash but consumers are not sold on it yet. The best bet down the line will be F9 and JB with F9 being the stronger carrier.
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Post 4007041)
Breeze - They have a mainline hub-avoidance model that also complements Frontier. The only airline that Breeze has any sort of compliment to is Southwest. Both loyalty focused brands. Point to point flights like SW. premium options like first class and extra legroom seats like SW is trying to offer now. Right size aircraft for the markets, that used to be a SW thing before the delivery delays. If the company continues to do well I can see it becoming its own major player but I don’t think DN wants to get involved with any of the ULCCs anytime soon or ever. |
Originally Posted by bluespoon
(Post 4007349)
The only airline that Breeze has any sort of compliment to is Southwest. Both loyalty focused brands. Point to point flights like SW. premium options like first class and extra legroom seats like SW is trying to offer now. Right size aircraft for the markets, that used to be a SW thing before the delivery delays. If the company continues to do well I can see it becoming its own major player but I don’t think DN wants to get involved with any of the ULCCs anytime soon or ever.
this is the most logical post. Get out of here. We don’t want your kind here. LOL |
Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Post 4007041)
JetBlue - Similar fleet and complementary networks. Can you imagine the disappointment at the legacies if a strong competitor could connect traffic in mid-continent and also run TATL from JFK on XLRs? JetBlue gains the west, and Frontier gains Europe. All with no widebodies and an efficient 2-type fleet! JetBlue needs some newer A320s too. Frontier would probably end up painted blue in this case. ;)
Breeze - They have a mainline hub-avoidance model that also complements Frontier. There are times where smaller planes circumventing the legacies are a good thing, especially compared to a 1/3 empty bigger one. Fleet and network would mesh in the sunbelt cities, but their model is more about avoiding direct competition, rather than undercutting it. Now if all three (F9,B6,MX) merged, that would create a force to be reckoned with by the big 4 and a competitive market for consumers coast-to-coast with 5 major airlines in the US. A fleet of 513 planes (279+174+60) with orders for 287 (98+151+38) modern and fuel efficient aircraft in just 2 types would make them a force to be reckoned with. Especially if they preserved and combined the strengths of all three - JetBlue's service and reputation, JFK, and TATL, Frontier's cost efficiency, Breeze's smaller-market focus and lower frequency schedules where needed. Such a combination would only really then leave new Alaska, new Allegiant, and Avelo besides the big players... It's seems a large fleet, broad network, and diversified revenue stream are the requirements for survival these days in the industry... |
Originally Posted by buzzer
(Post 4007450)
It normally takes years to bear the fruit of a merger. The clock is ticking.
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Originally Posted by OnTilt
(Post 4007481)
There’s no merger! We are in a period of industry contraction, not growth for the middle tier airlines.
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
(Post 4007486)
Definitely agree. Besides the 4 frontier merger attempts, 1 JetBlue/Spirit attempt, 1 consummated Alaska/Hawaiian, and 1 ongoing Sun Country and Allegiant mergers there has been complete industry contraction. No mergers/No growth!
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Originally Posted by spooldup
(Post 4007779)
still can't believe we had 4 merger attempts.... Wonder if there will be a 5th coming
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