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06-05-2023 | 06:49 PM
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Really doesn't work that well with the ULCC business model. When you have a business model that generates over 50% of the revenue via ancillary fees, you want to shuffle as many people on and off the plane as possible. Long haul doesn't do that. You'd make more money flying a 320 4 short legs than a 330 on just one leg. 4x the bag fees, 4x the seat fees etc.
The other problem is utilization. When the aircraft are all on monthly lease payments you need to run as many flights/ hours as possible. Again, doesn't work well easily for long haul flights.
Long haul low cost has been a major problem or a flat out failure business model. If the big, experience jet is only going to fly 1 or 2 legs a day, it needs the mega expensive 1st class revenue
The other problem is utilization. When the aircraft are all on monthly lease payments you need to run as many flights/ hours as possible. Again, doesn't work well easily for long haul flights.
Long haul low cost has been a major problem or a flat out failure business model. If the big, experience jet is only going to fly 1 or 2 legs a day, it needs the mega expensive 1st class revenue
06-05-2023 | 07:01 PM
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Really doesn't work that well with the ULCC business model. When you have a business model that generates over 50% of the revenue via ancillary fees, you want to shuffle as many people on and off the plane as possible. Long haul doesn't do that. You'd make more money flying a 320 4 short legs than a 330 on just one leg. 4x the bag fees, 4x the seat fees etc.
The other problem is utilization. When the aircraft are all on monthly lease payments you need to run as many flights/ hours as possible. Again, doesn't work well easily for long haul flights.
Long haul low cost has been a major problem or a flat out failure business model. If the big, experience jet is only going to fly 1 or 2 legs a day, it needs the mega expensive 1st class revenue
The other problem is utilization. When the aircraft are all on monthly lease payments you need to run as many flights/ hours as possible. Again, doesn't work well easily for long haul flights.
Long haul low cost has been a major problem or a flat out failure business model. If the big, experience jet is only going to fly 1 or 2 legs a day, it needs the mega expensive 1st class revenue
Actually with a few small twists this clip fits our lives half way decent. Haha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?embeds_r...&v=9wrEEd1ajz4
06-05-2023 | 07:22 PM
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Nobody wants to be crammed on our piece of **** seats with no amenities for any pond crossings. Our passengers can't afford European or Hawaiian vacations. We dont market to those who can afford better. There will be no pond crossings in our future.
06-05-2023 | 08:55 PM
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Really doesn't work that well with the ULCC business model. When you have a business model that generates over 50% of the revenue via ancillary fees, you want to shuffle as many people on and off the plane as possible. Long haul doesn't do that. You'd make more money flying a 320 4 short legs than a 330 on just one leg. 4x the bag fees, 4x the seat fees etc.
The other problem is utilization. When the aircraft are all on monthly lease payments you need to run as many flights/ hours as possible. Again, doesn't work well easily for long haul flights.
Long haul low cost has been a major problem or a flat out failure business model. If the big, experience jet is only going to fly 1 or 2 legs a day, it needs the mega expensive 1st class revenue
The other problem is utilization. When the aircraft are all on monthly lease payments you need to run as many flights/ hours as possible. Again, doesn't work well easily for long haul flights.
Long haul low cost has been a major problem or a flat out failure business model. If the big, experience jet is only going to fly 1 or 2 legs a day, it needs the mega expensive 1st class revenue
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06-06-2023 | 10:06 AM
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Air Transat in Canada operates a high density config A330 with only 12 "club" seats. I did a quick check, and each seat in club is only about 300 dollars more. I think a version of long-haul ULCC exists out there, but it isn't our current product.
06-06-2023 | 02:18 PM
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Maybe you can launch NRT from SNA next? Lol
06-07-2023 | 09:47 AM
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F9 could probably pack 500+ into an A350-1000XWB. I’d bet we could fill them up. Word on the street is that the XLR doesn’t make economic sense with a full load for Frontier. It will only add a few hundred miles of range, if that, operating out of high altitude airports.
06-07-2023 | 10:27 AM
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If you want to fly a 330/350 definitely do not apply here. The 321s will certainly do some interesting flying they never made a secret of that. How and what / which models is still TBD. You don’t need XLRs for Western Europe. Which from PHL is almost as long as MCO - ONT.
South America will definitely happen. I welcome all business. Just sign me up for the under 2 hour block day turns and home for dinner thanks
South America will definitely happen. I welcome all business. Just sign me up for the under 2 hour block day turns and home for dinner thanks
06-07-2023 | 11:06 AM
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If you want to fly a 330/350 definitely do not apply here. The 321s will certainly do some interesting flying they never made a secret of that. How and what / which models is still TBD. You don’t need XLRs for Western Europe. Which from PHL is almost as long as MCO - ONT.
South America will definitely happen. I welcome all business. Just sign me up for the under 2 hour block day turns and home for dinner thanks
South America will definitely happen. I welcome all business. Just sign me up for the under 2 hour block day turns and home for dinner thanks
Straight line:
KMCO-KONT: 1887 NM
KPHL-EIDW: 2844 NM
06-07-2023 | 11:20 AM
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You are absolutely correct. Feels about the same distance in the winter doing 350 over the ground to ONT as it does going to Dublin from the East coast. Been 8 years since I did the WB thing. Slept for most of it. 
However I am pretty sure you understand the larger point I was trying to get across
However I am pretty sure you understand the larger point I was trying to get across
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