How long for a contract?
04-20-2026 | 05:44 PM
#2571
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MM just confuses the issue surrounding the AQP LOA in his podcast. We do have leverage if we don’t agree to the LOA. The company has been, for the last few years, putting together the pieces for an AQP program and It will soon be ready for implementation. The pilots have to approve it via an LOA as it will change our current book (cba). We want it, they want it, but we don’t want to give it up for free.
Why does the company want AQP? It costs a ton of money to start up, but the future cost savings are huge! If we don’t agree to an LOA we block their cost savings. That’s the leverage. Give us some of the things we want and we’ll be open to AQP (even though we want it too).
I’d love to hear the counterpoint in the event I’m missing something.
Why does the company want AQP? It costs a ton of money to start up, but the future cost savings are huge! If we don’t agree to an LOA we block their cost savings. That’s the leverage. Give us some of the things we want and we’ll be open to AQP (even though we want it too).
I’d love to hear the counterpoint in the event I’m missing something.
Last edited by fcoolaiddrinker; 04-20-2026 at 05:59 PM.
04-20-2026 | 05:57 PM
#2572
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MM just confuses the issue surrounding the AQP LOA in his podcast. We do have leverage if we don’t agree to the LOA. The company has been, for the last few years, putting together the pieces for an AQP program and It will soon be ready for implementation. The pilots have to approve it via an LOA as it will change our current book (cba). We want it, they want it, but we don’t want to give it up for free.
Why does the company want AQP? It costs a ton of money to start up, but the future cost savings are huge! If we don’t agree to an LOA we block their cost savings. That’s the leverage. Give us some of the things we want and we’ll be open to AQP (even though we want it too).
I’d love to hear the counterpoint in the event I’m missing something.
Why does the company want AQP? It costs a ton of money to start up, but the future cost savings are huge! If we don’t agree to an LOA we block their cost savings. That’s the leverage. Give us some of the things we want and we’ll be open to AQP (even though we want it too).
I’d love to hear the counterpoint in the event I’m missing something.
04-20-2026 | 06:26 PM
#2574
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Easy. I just went to recurrent. Spoke with the union and have spoken with sim instructors and other union pilots. ALPA national estimates AQP will save the company $1 million a year. That’s it. And that’s just for the AQP program itself, not doing training in MCO which will obviously save the company more. My understanding is that AQP is outside of the cba and can be implemented with or without an LOA. 169 seems to think we have leverage. Boy I wish that were true, but it’s simply not. At best we can hope to get some work rules for the Sim instructors, that is all. There will be no financial gain from this LOA for us. So having said that since the company can implement this with or without us, we might as well be involved so we can be a part of the process of the training program.. I’m never in favor of doing LOA’s while we’re in section 6 but in this instance, it seems stupid not to be a part of it. I would love to ask for a 10% raise with this LOA, but it’s just not happening. Where our union has really failed yet again is communication. We’re all getting secondhand information and hearsay instead of constant communication from the union that we pay a lot of money in dues to.
Sounds like 169 and potentially 165 are disregarding legal advice again. Surprise surprise. And it’s not the ghost of Cochran or a better call Saul type. lol.
04-20-2026 | 06:34 PM
#2575
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If there was real leverage in an AQP LOA the union would use it. MM and the NC want results as much or more than anyone. If they say there isn't leverage there, there must not be. I'll take ALPA Nationals expert lawyers answer over an LECs reps opinion.
04-20-2026 | 06:56 PM
#2576
Stirring the pot
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Opting out is exactly how our pilot group got into this predicament. The level of apathy required to allow a small minority of pilots to elect unqualified representatives should set off alarm bells!
Part of leadership is telling loudmouths things they don't want to hear when they are wrong, no matter how badly they wish them to be true.
Part of leadership is telling loudmouths things they don't want to hear when they are wrong, no matter how badly they wish them to be true.
04-20-2026 | 06:59 PM
#2577
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So I guess we know who the LEC reps for 169 and 165 are now. Probably the retired Capt is here, too. Sad the pilot group has to pay for it. MM could’ve done a great job if he was allowed.
04-20-2026 | 07:32 PM
#2578
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Are you saying you didn’t pay dues to the teamsters? I find that bit a hard to believe since both attorneys that represented f9 pilots either reached a settlement agreement for 50 cents on the dollar or were forced to pay not only dues but dues plus teamster legal expenses.
either way I guess you can piggyback off others for another few years till retirement if your able to not pay dues somehow.
either way I guess you can piggyback off others for another few years till retirement if your able to not pay dues somehow.
Last edited by fcoolaiddrinker; 04-20-2026 at 08:12 PM.
04-20-2026 | 08:43 PM
#2579
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Last edited by fcoolaiddrinker; 04-20-2026 at 09:27 PM.
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