For example.

 

Now y'all are starting to get it...I hate when people say this, but now more than ever, CALL YOU REPS.

 

well blow the whistle.

If current traditional training methods are unsafe, or not considered safety focused, then take your findings to the New York Times, CNN, Fox and screaming how these methods are unsafe and putting passengers at undue risk.

just a suggestion, you might wanna bring some major evidence with you. Not just opinions and feels.

 

You’re missing the point of his comment by a mile.

 

Yes this.

AQP is NOT A SAFETY PROGRAM, it is a training program. It is simply a different way to train - much like a syllabus or procedural change (but more involved of course). In fact, AQP is probably LESS SAFE than the current. Any airline can build a unique/custom training program that is MILES better than AQP - but no one does because it's more costly (and takes longer to get approved). The only reason we did was because the FAA made us. AQP is the MINIMUM standard that is simply easier/cheaper to utilize and the approval process is much less time consuming.

There is no reason that any pilot group should vote to implement this in via LOA. If it is wanted that badly (and needs to be voted in), then it should be collectively bargained for.

If no vote is required and the company can simply "decide" to implement it, I would have no problem with that. The company decides all kinds of things (like mostly turns model) which is significantly more impacting - AQP is probably the least of my worries. In fact, I'd be interested to see what "value" the union puts on it. If it is nothing/zero, the "good faith" union consent brings might be worth it.

But I doubt it.

 

ATI just got a contract after 6 years unless it’s some April fools joke because it doesn’t look great IMO. If true only 3 years to go for us!

 

From ALPA

ATI TA

 

it doesn’t look good at all, but what I have been told is that the ACMI carriers have some unique challenges that we don’t have because of how their service contracts are structured and how that causes the different carriers to be pitted against each other. I could have that wrong but it doesn’t seem apples to apples.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it takes just as long for us but I think our results will be better. That is my hope at least.

 

Quick napkin math

+26% inflation since 2019

+11% contract increase

= -15% pay cut



Unless I’m missing something, ATI just took massive concessions.

 

Need to divide.

1.26 inflation.
1.11 pay increase.

1.11/1.26 = .88ish

12% cut assuming 26/11 are accurate.

Your point is still valid.