Yeah bro, it is. We have those stats and it’s currently 96% of ALL pilots at F9 have apps out……

But to be clear, there is another way to gain leverage: the training angle.

Just a guess but there are about 15% (200ish) pilots serving as LCAs and sim IPs. If that # went down (for the specific purposes of not having a contract), that’s leverage (and wouldn’t be an illegal work action). In fact, a few years back there was a “disagreement” and a few sim LCAs were either fired or quit and the general LCA community was upset at the company - mgt countered with higher pay.

But, it did highlight a vulnerability.

 

Because it is misleading. Just because that was your experience does not mean it will be the same for someone onboarding now. In fact, it absolutely will not be.

 

I mean this is is just a legacy koolaid drinker spray. Yea we’re behind now, but we’re gonna get a new contract and your cool well paid FO stories will also be the normalcy here. Not to mention the snap up clause. It’s almost pretty obvious you’re 1-3 years at a legacy with a cringey chip on your shoulder. Some of us are here for bases and QOL that you won’t get after legacy sit for 30 years

 

Honestly….I WANT you guys to not only get parity w the big 3, but dare I say leapfrog them. That’s healthy all around and benefit them.

 

No LOA’s during section 6!

Why is the union on a road show trying to sell a training LOA that only truly benefits the company during contract negotiations?? I could care less about the rinky dink, paltry items they want to trade away a large leverage point we have in this negotiation for. You have to ask yourself why the company wants and or needs this. The savings they put out don’t tell the whole story. Sure I would like to have AQP, but not at the cost of allowing them to have even less incentive to get the contract done. AQP may save them what they said just in “training” costs, but being able to train in MCO saves them a ton more. We already have that coming in the new contract, allowing them to do that with an LOA gives them those savings without having to secure a new contract. It’s a misdirection play, NO LOA’S PERIOD!!! Until we have a contract. FUPM!

 

I would agree on the training loa. Is that what’s going on? Any reason given?

Having said that no loa period is a bit of a stretch. If you believe you’re about to lose some language (that was going to happen with reassignment language last round) in arbitration and can solidify some gains while clarifying language it can make sense that do a loa. Outside of that yes I agree.

 

There is a roadshow for getting an LOA passed on the ONE thing we have a LOT of leverage on? Where did you see that?

 

I wouldn’t call it a road show but the airport sits. At mine there was a strategy discussed involving AQP I won’t discuss on here. If you want details call your reps.

 

Will the membership have the opportunity to vote for AQP?

 

Profitability is a funny thing

ripped from the first internet search
"Corporate profit is the money a corporation retains after all expenses—such as costs of goods sold, operating expenses, taxes, and interest—are deducted from its total revenue."

I would caution using profitability as a metric because all that is required to show no profit is investment in the company. Say WIFI, First class seat, Hard stands in Denver, A new MX hanger in MCO, More Gates in DFW, Buying parts, Engines, New Airframes, Software Licenses. Sims in MCO (Each one is ~ 100 million dollars), FA training facilities, Renovations for the emerald palace. or any other infrastructure for the Corporation.

Management could spend the next 20 years showing no profit while they Spend millions and millions on the cooperation. Some of that money would show in the total assets value. but It is easy to spend the money on assets that are not yours (Sims, hardstands, gates in ATL, software, Ground equipment for ramp crews, I know they bought a van for one of the training hotels in Denver who knows what else? You throw in pre buying Aircraft, Engines and parts, We can all see where this goes.

(when did we open CBA negotiations and when did management start building hardstands in Denver again?)

Yes this is all stuff that we need. It makes the company stronger. Don't conflate that with "we just don't have any money" While what you saying makes sense logically and morally (it's a direct appeal to our collective work ethic) It ends up being a ruse much like the mechanical rabbit the greyhounds chase around the dog track.

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