and flying for 5 years isn’t a knock..I’m in the same boat. I just know how lucky I am to be where I am…I have humility…and I’m not a d*ck about it.

so again, is it you or is the stereotype true at DL? I know many that say they’re trying to weed it out over there.

I was a commercial pilot almost 20 years ago, but had to stop flying for a long time. But that's besides the point. You guys started acting like kids when I asked a couple of genuine questions. Anyway, as I said before, I wish you guys the best, and hope F9 makes enough money to pay you what you're asking. But right now, I don't think your demands are realistic.

well I appreciate that and wish you the best as well. I disagree with you on our demands and that’s ok.

Actually, what happened was you asked questions in an intentionally inflammatory manner and when people responded to you with their reasons you began screeching about how we are just a bunch of Denny's servers. That's great you feel that the pilot group's demands are unrealistic, the multiple Alaska, United, Delta, etc. pilots who attended the picket the other day would probably say otherwise.

No, my questions were not inflammatory at all. I simply asked how you expect F9 to spend another $200 million on the new contract per year when they're not even making that much in profit. You guys didn't like the question and started calling me names.

And I didn't say you are a bunch of Denny's servers. I simply compared what Denny's servers can make compared to the servers of a fancier restaurant that makes more money. in that example, I'd be a server as well.

Anyway, as I said before, best of luck. Your company needs to make more money to pay you what you're asking, and I hope that happens soon.

I am just wondering why in the world you hang out on this board. Are you really that bored? Go hang out on the Delta board. I am sure it’s way more fun there. Stop ****ing on other pilot groups. What goes around comes around. This industry has taken many wild turns in the last forty years. If you think for a minute that you are better than someone else just because you are at a different carrier, just watch out. I saw the Delta pilots get the best contract in history in 2000/2001 and within months they had thousands of pilots on the street. Be careful who you **** off on the way up, you’ll find them all again on the way down.

That is most certanly not the question you asked.

Just to refresh everyone. This was his first post. 0% chance any frontier pilot would answer any of these condescending, inflammatory, down right rude questions. You in no way asked these in a manor to get serious responses. Questions any professional pilot could easily answer themself. Will our total contract be on par with Legacies? No. Will we get similar pay rates as Legacies. Absolutely. We are a major US carrier and whether Indigo wants to pay that or not is irrelevant. That's what the current cost is. They'll figure it out, always have.

indigo only owns 41% of the company and those shares have been managed historically by Will Franke who just filed a passive investor form 13G for the first time ever at frontier airlines. Those 99 million shares are now sitting there until he files another form.


I really believe this will be the best contract in frontier’s history relative to our peers.

Right.....

You randomly come on here and tried to tell us we can't get what we want and we should just leave and get on the Delta seniority list below you. You mocked us for asking for industry standard. Just give up on our fight. Like a good union brother would, right? In solidarity, brother!

No. You clearly came here in an inflammatory manner. And have clearly been excited to respond to every single post since your first telling us that we can't do as well as you.

I will however play along. I can't remember if it was United or AA but when they agreed to their new contract the CEO was on CNBC and when asked how they would pay for the huge pat raises he just shrugged and said "we will pass the cost along to the customer. It will have no impact on our margins"

And he was right. That's how business works. And it's how Frontier will do it as well. Our ticket prices will go up. That's the answer to your question. Fortunately for us, even if our ticket prices have to go up $20, we can still dramatically undercut Delta on cost. Pilot pay is only a small part of our CASM savings compared to our competitors.

As a fellow union pilot, you should want us to do well and you clearly don't. I know you said you do, but its obvious you don't. And it's sad and misinformed. We are an industry together, and we build off of eachothers contract progress. What's good for Delta pilots is good for us and vice versa. You don't know what's good for you. You just want to see us do worse and you want to see more people junior to you at Delta. Nice.

Don't come here telling us to aim lower. That's being the worst kind of fellow union brother. It's up to Frontier to figure out how to raise revenue, not for you to come tell us to settle for less pay. Hard to believe any fellow would do that.