PositiveRate20

F9 most junior upgrade award per last bid: Feb 20 hire (3 years and 6 months)

DAL most junior upgrade award per last bid: Oct 22 hire (10 months)

DAL most junior 320 upgrade per last bid: Aug 22 hire (1 year)

DAL most junior ATL 320 upgrade (their most senior base): Nov 21 hire (1 year and 9 months)

flyingpants

Most junior F9 upgrade is a March 2020, which is the last pre covid class. After March it jumps to a June 2021 hire, that would be shy of 2 years.

But yes, still longer than a 10 month upgrade at Delta.

Stayontarget

And? We are less than 30 seniority numbers away from moving to 2 years 3 months. Is that not fast enough? Probably less than 45 days away from age 67 trashing that legacy upgrade timeline anyway….maybe…

Anybody know what the percentage of FOs bypassing upgrade at Delta, UA, AA, SWA are?


Edit to add: I’m not so sure these super low upgrade times are something to be celebrated. 2 years of ATP, 3 months at Frontier, 10 months at Delta….ya you passed the checkride but are you really captain material? Or if we had Delta upgrade times. 2 years ATP, 10 months at Frontier then upgrade? Sounds like trouble in the horizon.

Heard a pilot had never seen snow before, ever in their life, on their first landing in Trenton in the winter. Finally the term “slippery slope”has some direct meaning!

PositiveRate20

I don’t disagree with you. But your previous post seemed to celebrate the short upgrade times. My response was simply to show that, in todays environment, it’s not an exceptional statistic.

Aero1900

Glad you said it. 2 years is not enough time for a lot of people to be ready to be captains.

We are hiring people with so little experience, short upgrade times are a huge concern not something to complain isn't moving fast enough.

Look around the industry at how much metal has been bent in the last couple years.

Stayontarget

Ah my mistake then. Looks like we are on the same page.

JoeFever1

This company will have a serious upgrade problem in a few years I believe.

Browntown

So...is it going to continue reducing down to maybe 1.5 yrs for new hire (I've got plenty of time and been a heavy captain before), just curious what I could anticipate if I got hired this fall?

Stayontarget

This will assume we take airplanes on the current planned schedule and you take first upgrade…

Let’s just say you get hired at seniority #2150 for simplicity. If nobody left and everybody upgraded before you it would be late 2029. ~6 years

Using our current bypass percentage of upgrade occurring around 65% seniority you would upgrade around late 2026. ~3 years

If attrition stays at 30 per month, all 30 happen to leave in front of you, and again with the 65% mark you’re looking at late 2024. ~16 months

Using a more realistic 15 per month leave in front of you (since attrition will also occur behind you as you progress in seniority) you’re looking at mid 2025. So I would say yes you could plan on 1.5-2 years at the current pace of things.

This is very rough math, subject to limitations, terms and conditions may apply, ask your doctor if upgrade is right for you…

Dragonslayer69

I think the new 67yr. 364 day retirement age will fix any upgrade issues. Upgrades everywhere will slow to a trickle.