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01-15-2024, 06:11 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by planejoe
Need a like button. That 50k with federal interest will cost you an insurmountable amount of money. Also, DON'T SPEND IT. Why would anyone back themselves into a corner like that?
01-15-2024, 06:52 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by MstrAv8r
I paid back my $38k bonus plus over $1000 in interest to head to a legacy. I actually loved the captains and aircraft at F9, but burying my face in the terminal around ****ed off passengers grew very old, very quickly. That company is run by incompetence, and I don’t think it will be around forever.
01-15-2024, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spooldup
I also want both. Even if we work less. why does responsibility for more passengers, do more work to do our job, and have more put on our shoulders not warrant AT LEAST industry standard pay?
01-15-2024, 07:11 AM
#14
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Posts: 431
Originally Posted by LibertyBiberty
Really need a like/upvote button for this. I'm coming through the cadet ranks so I guess I'm part of the problem with management not seeing a need to offer a better contract if classes stay full, but there's no way the union is demanding any less than equal pay right? Do we just have to wait until management realizes they shot themselves in the foot to be treated like every other pilot group in the country? Being new to a pilot group in general, I'm more interested in learning from those who have been here and standing with them in contract negotiations rather than voting in garbage..
01-15-2024, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by planejoe
The company is basically saying unless they can find money in concessions they won't be coming to the table with raises. Part of the game to delay the process I guess, no interest in a new contract.
01-15-2024, 08:18 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by DontStahl320
I’m pretty sure the financials will show the company doesn’t have money for raises.
Why don't we have money for raises? Not our problem. The problem is our management's poor judgment and misguided ideas that lead to poor performance and retention of passengers.
Increasing the cost of a ticket $5 to compensate for a new contract isn't going to mean no one will fly us. Somehow the emerald palace thinks that unless we are making our ticket prices as cheap as possible, we won't have any customers... We don't have customers because they are trying to make ticket prices as cheap as possible and cutting corners on the operational side which leads to a ****ed off passenger who doesn't want to return.
01-15-2024, 08:45 AM
#18
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Posts: 361
Originally Posted by spooldup
AA was 45B in debt when they gave their pilots a new contract....
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01-15-2024, 08:59 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by spooldup
AA was 45B in debt when they gave their pilots a new contract....
Why don't we have money for raises? Not our problem. The problem is our management's poor judgment and misguided ideas that lead to poor performance and retention of passengers.
Increasing the cost of a ticket $5 to compensate for a new contract isn't going to mean no one will fly us. Somehow the emerald palace thinks that unless we are making our ticket prices as cheap as possible, we won't have any customers... We don't have customers because they are trying to make ticket prices as cheap as possible and cutting corners on the operational side which leads to a ****ed off passenger who doesn't want to return.
Why don't we have money for raises? Not our problem. The problem is our management's poor judgment and misguided ideas that lead to poor performance and retention of passengers.
Increasing the cost of a ticket $5 to compensate for a new contract isn't going to mean no one will fly us. Somehow the emerald palace thinks that unless we are making our ticket prices as cheap as possible, we won't have any customers... We don't have customers because they are trying to make ticket prices as cheap as possible and cutting corners on the operational side which leads to a ****ed off passenger who doesn't want to return.
01-15-2024, 06:24 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by LibertyBiberty
You had a $38k bonus? Was that the 50k that was offered to FOs or were you a cadet with F9? Asking for a friend...
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