Aero1900

Daniel Shurz being gone is really starting to materialize into significant changes.

I suspect this is what Biffle wanted and Daniel couldn't deliver it.

ULLI

You don't say? 50%??? I would love to see the numbers.
Not defending our current rates, and the fact that we just started to negotiate new ones.

LifetimeCFI

As a prospective hire this is somewhat exciting. Wonder if there's any chance of an ONT, SFO, or LAX base. I know I know, labor laws.. One can dream can't they?

Stayontarget

In some categories yes. Off the top of my head Yr 3 FO is 127 vs 180 at the big 4.

60av8tor

You're about $30 short. Not sure what Frontier is at.

ULLI

I am just looking at what's obtainable realistically. I don't think ua is doing DEC for the WBs.
I understand some are getting it as FOs (for a really good reason). I was just looking at the 320/321 tables. I thought i was missing something when he or she said ... 50% less.

I guess facts aren't relevant these days. If he/she is going to come and Sh!t on frontier atleast brings facts with.

Salukipilot4590

Probably. I guess.

hercretired

Year-2 Airbus FO (average 319 to 321 all together) at Big-3 is basically $180

Or, as someone told me, 10 year Frontier FO pay

PositiveRate20

Current Delta 321NEO FO rates: Year 1-116.05, Year 2-183.63, Year 3-214.89 (non neo rates are approx 3% less). All reserve, vacation, training, etc is paid at 321NEO rates

dracir1

The rates for ALL THREE of the BIG 3 are in the forum (and I think new SWA is floating around too). Not sure how many F9ers don't visit any other page but Frontier but it's not hard to view the new universal rates.

Frontier has a 3 fold problem. First is retention - which, depending on how you look at it - may or may not be a problem in BB's eyes. Second is gates. The same delimma w/ labor - how much is he willing to pay to be able to grow. Besides going back to LAX, just announced new routes from DFW from the same old 2 FT/2PT gates. . . gotta dust off those tarmac delay program cards. Third, and probably the most damaging, is being a public company. That "decision" to try and buy NK wasn't bad but it was just too costly. Now, the company has to suffer low margins (and losses), even more public humiliation than necessary and a MUCH longer wait to be the only ULCC (and still the same size to boot). What coulda been just wasn't meant to be. Plan B is to now just get rid of the stockholders with the consolation of opening at $20/share and buying back at $0.75. HOW much profit is that? Surprised the SEC isn't investigating but I guess it's kinda hard to prove purposeful incompentency.

All of it lines up pretty well I think. Somewhere around late 2025 to summer 2026, the private company will have the leverage to finally sit down w/ the NC and negotiate a contract that is 84% of everyone else (in terms of overall compensation) while convincing most labor groups that the details associated w/ QoL are so much better and is where the rate is made up. All the while, creating an even GREATER retention problem.

And so it continues...