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01-23-2024, 09:24 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 294
Originally Posted by ULLI
You don't say? 50%??? I would love to see the numbers.
Not defending our current rates, and the fact that we just started to negotiate new ones.
Not defending our current rates, and the fact that we just started to negotiate new ones.
You have to look at more than hourly rate. People forget they make 2-3% more 401k, don’t have to pay for meals on the road, and get profit sharing of 16%. A Delta, UAL, or AAL pilot may have pay rates 30-40% better but when you look at the entire package they are roughly 50% ahead of us for a given seat. Not to mention widebody flying.
The ugly truth is most legacy FO’s are smoking our captains on total compensation. If you have friends at UAL, DAL, or AAL just ask to compare W2’s for a little perspective.
01-23-2024, 09:42 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 555
Originally Posted by Planedrive
You have to look at more than hourly rate. People forget they make 2-3% more 401k, don’t have to pay for meals on the road, and get profit sharing of 16%. A Delta, UAL, or AAL pilot may have pay rates 30-40% better but when you look at the entire package they are roughly 50% ahead of us for a given seat. Not to mention widebody flying.
The ugly truth is most legacy FO’s are smoking our captains on total compensation. If you have friends at UAL, DAL, or AAL just ask to compare W2’s for a little perspective.
The ugly truth is most legacy FO’s are smoking our captains on total compensation. If you have friends at UAL, DAL, or AAL just ask to compare W2’s for a little perspective.
Agreed, wb CA +ps=50% more then frontiers current 2018 a320 CBA.
01-23-2024, 10:33 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Airbus (the wide ones)
Posts: 106
Originally Posted by Aero1900
Daniel Shurz being gone is really starting to materialize into significant changes.
I suspect this is what Biffle wanted and Daniel couldn't deliver it.
I suspect this is what Biffle wanted and Daniel couldn't deliver it.
01-23-2024, 10:34 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by Planedrive
You have to look at more than hourly rate. People forget they make 2-3% more 401k, don’t have to pay for meals on the road, and get profit sharing of 16%. A Delta, UAL, or AAL pilot may have pay rates 30-40% better but when you look at the entire package they are roughly 50% ahead of us for a given seat. Not to mention widebody flying.
The ugly truth is most legacy FO’s are smoking our captains on total compensation. If you have friends at UAL, DAL, or AAL just ask to compare W2’s for a little perspective.
The ugly truth is most legacy FO’s are smoking our captains on total compensation. If you have friends at UAL, DAL, or AAL just ask to compare W2’s for a little perspective.
01-23-2024, 10:50 AM
#26
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Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by PositiveRate20
Delta’s 2023 PS was 10.3%. 401k DC is now 17% for 2024
350$/hr average rate.
350times 1.17=409.5
409.5*1.105= $451.68
270*1.15=310.5
451.68/310.5= 1.4547 or 45.47% higher rate.
But if you did this for every rate where we diverge from the other legacy rates is the lower time less than 7 years. We are probably closer to 50% less per hour maybe more for some years. It does seem accurate to say 50% imo.
01-23-2024, 11:09 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by VisionWings
350$/hr average rate.
350times 1.17=409.5
409.5*1.105= $451.68
270*1.15=310.5
451.68/310.5= 1.4547 or 45.47% higher rate.
But if you did this for every rate where we diverge from the other legacy rates is the lower time less than 7 years. We are probably closer to 50% less per hour maybe more for some years. It does seem accurate to say 50% imo.
350times 1.17=409.5
409.5*1.105= $451.68
270*1.15=310.5
451.68/310.5= 1.4547 or 45.47% higher rate.
But if you did this for every rate where we diverge from the other legacy rates is the lower time less than 7 years. We are probably closer to 50% less per hour maybe more for some years. It does seem accurate to say 50% imo.
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