Aero1900

Thing only consistently is inconsistencies

https://ishrionaviation.com/news/frontier-airlines-30-route-expansion?fbclid=IwAR2QymdETeriL2S90W9SK6AEcsnuDJE-UHwDFaVoYolsFSyRhheDy8ArBwI

madmax757

Good to see more west coast flying. When I fly SAN,SFO,ONT,SNA to vegas they’re pretty full
I heard we may have some 6 leg one day trips coming out of LAS - 3 turns to all the short destinations.

spooldup

If that is the case... I hope we see a new thing in our next contract, boarding pay or something of the sort. that pays us a certain % of pay for our duty time when not flying.

I sure don't want to see 5-6 leg days that credit 6hrs that start at 6am and get done at 5pm.

Not to mention they will run the trip right up to the FDP limit with like 40 minutes to spare so one screw up will scrap the rest of the sequence.

hercretired

the great part is that day will be a 1-day and you get to commute home when done.

planejoe

or jump into a bed in a crashpad

fcoolaiddrinker

it’s going to be tough to squeeze 6 leg west coast turns in las under 8 block. The bare min block on 4 leg is 530. Throw in 11 duty restricted and it’s really not possible. A 4 leg with all less than 1 hr sits on my schedule is well over 9 duty.

BobSacamano

This is a pretty big departure from our bread-and-butter Midwest-to-sun type routes. I mean LAX to SFO? this is a real change in strategy, and I wonder what it all means.

The optimist in me is thinking heck yeah let’s throw some respectable frequency on these routes and show Kirby what it really means to meaningfully compete with our CASM. The pessimist worries that we can or will even attempt to actually do that.

Planedrive

Frontier pays their pilots 50% less than UAL rates. Any profit ULCC makes on these routes is off the pilots backs.

BobSacamano

Thanks, I had no idea.

spooldup

Our frequency has been increasing for a while... a year ago in an investor call BB and DS stated they were focusing on frequency instead of new routes so that they had the ability to roll people into another flight that wasn't 3-4 days later and have more options available for customers.

That being said, they get no respect until they can make profits by paying THEIR EMPLOYEES a industry standard pay, both pilots and flight attendants. Everyone in this place is being paid less than elsewhere, except a select few, those at the top.

That pay pyramid is the biggest on the top and gets smaller towards the bottom with BB making more than his "peers" (CEOs) at other airlines of similar nature. Our workload and responsibility also is an upside down pyramid where all of the crap is up top and the pilots and flight attendants deal with the brunt of it at the bottom.