So what this next CBA going to look like
08-07-2025 | 11:23 PM
#121
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No vote for I until the long term and health benefits are on par with others…including snap up every year past the contract term since theyll love to dicker around with us in the future. Also needs to be some serious financial guardrails and work rules if they want to start adding reroutes to our schedules.
08-08-2025 | 04:06 AM
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No vote for I until the long term and health benefits are on par with others…including snap up every year past the contract term since theyll love to dicker around with us in the future. Also needs to be some serious financial guardrails and work rules if they want to start adding reroutes to our schedules.
08-08-2025 | 04:28 AM
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No vote for I until the long term and health benefits are on par with others…including snap up every year past the contract term since theyll love to dicker around with us in the future. Also needs to be some serious financial guardrails and work rules if they want to start adding reroutes to our schedules.
08-08-2025 | 07:43 AM
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No vote for I until the long term and health benefits are on par with others…including snap up every year past the contract term since theyll love to dicker around with us in the future. Also needs to be some serious financial guardrails and work rules if they want to start adding reroutes to our schedules.
yup +1
08-08-2025 | 08:00 AM
#125
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Hedge Fund versus Private Equity Fund
Akin to asking if a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. (Tomatos have seeds on the inside). Or if the V-22 Osprey is an airplane or a helicopter.
For our line pilot operational point of view, "what Indigo is" does not matter. A hedge fund buys stocks, to reap returns. A PE firm buys or invests in companies themselves, to reap returns. "Turn around plays" are the targets of PE firms.
It does not matter. "Indigo Partners is an investment group" is the correct statement.
Akin to asking if a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. (Tomatos have seeds on the inside). Or if the V-22 Osprey is an airplane or a helicopter.
For our line pilot operational point of view, "what Indigo is" does not matter. A hedge fund buys stocks, to reap returns. A PE firm buys or invests in companies themselves, to reap returns. "Turn around plays" are the targets of PE firms.
It does not matter. "Indigo Partners is an investment group" is the correct statement.
08-08-2025 | 08:57 AM
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08-08-2025 | 10:15 AM
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I do…im willingly to bet they want this thing signed before the next big openers come out and drive our averages up. Loss of license and ltd to 65 are literally standard everywhere else, no reason those shouldn’t be included
08-08-2025 | 10:45 AM
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Do you think delta is just going to open negotiations next year and have a TA signed in a year?
08-08-2025 | 11:12 AM
#129
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Best of luck to y’all.
08-08-2025 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH;[url=tel:3936667
3936667[/url]]I think he’s simply saying the numbers that are going to be thrown around soon are going to make it even harder on management to continue low balling after DAL openers start leaking. For example at UAL our 2027 321 12 year rate is $417.07 and our 737 Max 9/-900 are $402.01 plus we get 18% B fund on top. Let’s say openers are a modest 10% raise. Over $450/hr. If y’all don’t have a new contract in place when numbers like that come out it’s gonna be hard to sell falling even further behind.
Best of luck to y’all.
Best of luck to y’all.
why would I give up turns?
Delta CJO ? thanks but not "starting over"
QOL is everything and at Frontier we out-QOL everyone. Barry says so.
He even has some funny money "creative accounting" slides where Frontier pilots out-earn Big-3 pilots.
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