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Old 09-06-2025 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
The goal is to get an actual member(s) of the NMB to take a look at what has been happening during mediated negotiations, and push the parties forward. This is also the first step in moving beyond mediation to proffer of binding arbitration. After the proffer, and assuming that one of the parties refuses, comes the 30 day cooling off period.

This is an ALPA doc that details the steps in Section 6. It doesn't call it a "status conference", but we are at the top of p.4

https://crewroom.alpa.org/alafa/Port...06%20Final.pdf
To add to this... it looks quick, but the part of going to proffer is probably the longest and hardest thing to happen.
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Old 09-06-2025 | 02:27 PM
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"will be quick"

FedEx has been working on a contract for ???? since 2021. The contract being worked out is from 2015

meanwhile, nobody ships "next day letters" (heard of a PDF file?) or "mailing tubes" with laminated presentations inside them

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Old 09-06-2025 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spooldup
To add to this... it looks quick, but the part of going to proffer is probably the longest and hardest thing to happen.
Right. I hate to say it but I predict after our status meeting we get put on ice.
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Old 09-06-2025 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
"will be quick"

FedEx has been working on a contract for ???? since 2021. The contract being worked out is from 2015

meanwhile, nobody ships "next day letters" (heard of a PDF file?) or "mailing tubes" with laminated presentations inside them

awesome stuff
At least with FedEx there was a TA that got voted down. I can see us being more like ATI currently or Atlas during their last negotiation. Long hard fight. Frankie and Barry may be dead by then.
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Old 09-06-2025 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
At least with FedEx there was a TA that got voted down. I can see us being more like ATI currently or Atlas during their last negotiation. Long hard fight. Frankie and Barry may be dead by then.

Fedex got greedy…. What was offered wasn’t a bad deal but they got high and mighty because of the Covid era when they were running full speed ahead making money hand over fist. Sucks, but it is what it is. Nothing we can do about our situation but sit back and hold strong. But yeah Franke will probably be dead and good old Barry might not make it given his lack of healthy lifestyle….
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Old 09-06-2025 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
(heard of a PDF file?)
what does Drake have to do with this?
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Old 09-16-2025 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by av8nallday
Fedex got greedy…. What was offered wasn’t a bad deal but they got high and mighty because of the Covid era when they were running full speed ahead making money hand over fist. Sucks, but it is what it is. Nothing we can do about our situation but sit back and hold strong. But yeah Franke will probably be dead and good old Barry might not make it given his lack of healthy lifestyle….
Fedex is still making good money.
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Old 09-16-2025 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
At least with FedEx there was a TA that got voted down. I can see us being more like ATI currently or Atlas during their last negotiation. Long hard fight. Frankie and Barry may be dead by then.
Alaska will have new pay rates by the end of October, maybe that will help you? $400 an hour I hear, I don’t see you getting close but maybe.

Spirits new rates will be out by Oct 1. Company coming after $100 million from the contract but that won’t help your cause. I’m betting spirit rates come back to what you’re making, wata ya think? That would be very convenient for Mr. Frankie.

Hey any word on the “healthy food” option, did you guys come to an agreement yet for that in your new contract? I’m pretty excited about eating catering while I’m flying, good stuff!
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Old 09-17-2025 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Alaska will have new pay rates by the end of October, maybe that will help you? $400 an hour I hear, I don’t see you getting close but maybe.

Spirits new rates will be out by Oct 1. Company coming after $100 million from the contract but that won’t help your cause. I’m betting spirit rates come back to what you’re making, wata ya think? That would be very convenient for Mr. Frankie.

Hey any word on the “healthy food” option, did you guys come to an agreement yet for that in your new contract? I’m pretty excited about eating catering while I’m flying, good stuff!
So...

You're surmising that a company that declared bankruptcy TWICE in the same year offering new rates to their pilots will hurt us? Is NK really a viable comparative business right now?
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Old 09-17-2025 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
So...

You're surmising that a company that declared bankruptcy TWICE in the same year offering new rates to their pilots will hurt us? Is NK really a viable comparative business right now?
From what the Allegiant NC is telling people, our mediator is fully believes that Allegiant “peer” airlines are spirit and frontier and Suncountry. We fight like crazy to say we’re different from you all and that we are more like Alaska and Delta in terms of historical margins but it is an uphill battle and tough sell to the mediator.

Spirit going into bankruptcy twice has absolutely hurt us at the negotiating table with the mediators we’ve had - including the current one.
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