2Q 2025 Earnings Call - Aug 5
08-07-2025 | 08:35 AM
#121
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It’s not being talked about as much as you’d like it to be because you’re probably a commuter who hates turns. I totally get that. But the company is going to do what they think is best for the operation in terms of trip mix.
Sure, we were probably doing too many day turns, but they have already reduced day turns accordingly.
Sure, we were probably doing too many day turns, but they have already reduced day turns accordingly.
08-07-2025 | 10:29 AM
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listening to Barry say the legacies were "subsidized by international" is like hearing the CEO of Dennys b1tch that IHOP is subsidized by pancakes, and "without pancakes, IHOP wouldn't be the same"
yes, he is the guy running Frontier, incredible isn't it
when Frontier stops flying on Tuesdays and Wednesdays that should really help open time even more
nice
yes, he is the guy running Frontier, incredible isn't it
when Frontier stops flying on Tuesdays and Wednesdays that should really help open time even more
nice
That's how ridiculous that legacies are "subsidized by international" sounds. Just like legacies are "subsidized by credit card revenue" etc.
08-07-2025 | 10:34 AM
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I wonder if the "double digit profits" in 2026 takes into account the training churn costs as pilots leave as the legacy hiring ramps up again in a few months?
08-07-2025 | 11:17 AM
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It’s not being talked about as much as you’d like it to be because you’re probably a commuter who hates turns. I totally get that. But the company is going to do what they think is best for the operation in terms of trip mix.
Sure, we were probably doing too many day turns, but they have already reduced day turns accordingly.
Sure, we were probably doing too many day turns, but they have already reduced day turns accordingly.
I live in A base so I don't mind turns. I can't hold said base because of the rapid opening of 4 bases for no reason.
08-07-2025 | 01:28 PM
#125
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I live in base ,and I don't like the turns. If you can get good ones it's not so bad ,but the majority are junk 5-6hrs with many many 5.5hr redeyes. If we could have 7-9 hr day turns I would be all over it but 5 hr min day turns drag me back to the airport 15 days a month to make min credit. That is Junk. It burns up days off, I spend an excessive amount of time driving back and fourth to the airport ,and the money is no better than if I was on reserve.
I miss working productive 3 and 4 days.
I miss working productive 3 and 4 days.
08-07-2025 | 01:48 PM
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I live in base ,and I don't like the turns. If you can get good ones it's not so bad ,but the majority are junk 5-6hrs with many many 5.5hr redeyes. If we could have 7-9 hr day turns I would be all over it but 5 hr min day turns drag me back to the airport 15 days a month to make min credit. That is Junk. It burns up days off, I spend an excessive amount of time driving back and fourth to the airport ,and the money is no better than if I was on reserve.
I miss working productive 3 and 4 days.
I miss working productive 3 and 4 days.
08-07-2025 | 01:53 PM
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08-07-2025 | 07:21 PM
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08-07-2025 | 09:14 PM
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I'm sorry you are misunderstanding my point. Barry opened 4 bases in a few months, displacing crews all over the place, to put this magical turn model into action. This was going to save the company a ton of money, allow us to be an on Time Machine, and bring us to those magical double digit profits. Less than a year later we are basically half turns half multiday trips system wide. We are not making money. We are not on time. Reserve coverage is all out of whack. Relative seniority is terrible. But BB just keeps trucking along like nothing ever happened. Everyone told him it wasn't possible yet here we are.
I live in A base so I don't mind turns. I can't hold said base because of the rapid opening of 4 bases for no reason.
I live in A base so I don't mind turns. I can't hold said base because of the rapid opening of 4 bases for no reason.
08-08-2025 | 09:07 AM
#130
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don’t forget the rig time for 3-4 hr turns 🤔🙄
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