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Old 08-14-2025 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Ya'll do realize that the union already lowered our ask to below legacy rates, right?
of course they did. Because suckers are born every minute.
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Old 08-14-2025 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
Agreed. The domestic market is down - that hurts everyone. Only airlines w/ significant international travel are doing well (and American isn't even doing that).

A LOT depends on what we do now to prepare for when the market comes back. Are we gonna be the same ol F9 (treat pax like sh!t) or something else? I would say, if we don't change our model significantly within the next 12 months (which includes legacy rates), then maybe I'll start to be concerned.
Legacy rates are a pipe dream. You flat out don’t pull the same revenue, you got nothing that goes over the Atlantic, or the Pacific, or a domestic business class seat, with internet, cocktails, or food. Hell, you can get a premium product on a RJ now a days, and charge your phone!
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Old 08-14-2025 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by As786
Legacy rates are a pipe dream. You flat out don’t pull the same revenue, you got nothing that goes over the Atlantic, or the Pacific, or a domestic business class seat, with internet, cocktails, or food. Hell, you can get a premium product on a RJ now a days, and charge your phone!
Who left the door open? There’s a fly in here
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Old 08-14-2025 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by As786
Legacy rates are a pipe dream. You flat out don’t pull the same revenue, you got nothing that goes over the Atlantic, or the Pacific, or a domestic business class seat, with internet, cocktails, or food. Hell, you can get a premium product on a RJ now a days, and charge your phone!
That's mgmt's issue. Does fuel cost less at an ULCC? Do planes cost less? Does mgmt get paid less? Skilled labor outta cost about the same despite the biz model.
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Old 08-14-2025 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
That's mgmt's issue. Does fuel cost less at an ULCC? Do planes cost less? Does mgmt get paid less? Skilled labor outta cost about the same despite the biz model.
For the love of God can we put this brain dead attempt at an analogy to bed, once and for all?

Fuel costs the same because if you tell the fueler you don’t want to pay his price, he drives away.

Meanwhile, F9 has a backlog of willing and ready pilot candidates despite paying less than what you think is the “industry standard” rate.

Deal with it.
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Old 08-14-2025 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BobSacamano
For the love of God can we put this brain dead attempt at an analogy to bed, once and for all?

Fuel costs the same because if you tell the fueler you don’t want to pay his price, he drives away.

Meanwhile, F9 has a backlog of willing and ready pilot candidates despite paying less than what you think is the “industry standard” rate.




Deal with it.
there are a backlog of willing and ready pilot candidates at legacy carriers every single day.
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Old 08-14-2025 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by VisionWings
there are a backlog of willing and ready pilot candidates at legacy carriers every single day.
Because, just like F9, those legacies pay more than the market requires.

And unlike the legacies, F9 hires deeper into that pool.
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Old 08-14-2025 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BobSacamano
For the love of God can we put this brain dead attempt at an analogy to bed, once and for all?

Fuel costs the same because if you tell the fueler you don’t want to pay his price, he drives away.

Meanwhile, F9 has a backlog of willing and ready pilot candidates despite paying less than what you think is the “industry standard” rate.

Deal with it.
And if Frontier doesn’t pay what pilots want we will also drive away when legally allowed to do so.
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Old 08-14-2025 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BobSacamano
Because, just like F9, those legacies pay more than the market requires.

And unlike the legacies, F9 hires deeper into that pool.
deeper you get the higher they pitch and harder they land.. working out great so far
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Old 08-14-2025 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by As786
Legacy rates are a pipe dream. You flat out don’t pull the same revenue, you got nothing that goes over the Atlantic, or the Pacific, or a domestic business class seat, with internet, cocktails, or food. Hell, you can get a premium product on a RJ now a days, and charge your phone!
I’ll start putting all the Transpacific and Transatlantic flying legacies are doing in A320s into my consideration for how much Frontier should pay its pilots Thanks.

I found a winner for dumbest post.
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