Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3938963)

Ya'll do realize that the union already lowered our ask to below legacy rates, right?

Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3938839)

Agreed. The domestic market is down - that hurts everyone. Only airlines w/ significant international travel are doing well (and American isn't even doing that).

A LOT depends on what we do now to prepare for when the market comes back. Are we gonna be the same ol F9 (treat pax like sh!t) or something else? I would say, if we don't change our model significantly within the next 12 months (which includes legacy rates), then maybe I'll start to be concerned.

Originally Posted by As786 (Post 3938974)

Legacy rates are a pipe dream. You flat out don’t pull the same revenue, you got nothing that goes over the Atlantic, or the Pacific, or a domestic business class seat, with internet, cocktails, or food. Hell, you can get a premium product on a RJ now a days, and charge your phone!

Originally Posted by As786 (Post 3938974)

Legacy rates are a pipe dream. You flat out don’t pull the same revenue, you got nothing that goes over the Atlantic, or the Pacific, or a domestic business class seat, with internet, cocktails, or food. Hell, you can get a premium product on a RJ now a days, and charge your phone!

Originally Posted by nene (Post 3938986)

That's mgmt's issue. Does fuel cost less at an ULCC? Do planes cost less? Does mgmt get paid less? Skilled labor outta cost about the same despite the biz model.

Originally Posted by BobSacamano (Post 3938988)

For the love of God can we put this brain dead attempt at an analogy to bed, once and for all?

Fuel costs the same because if you tell the fueler you don’t want to pay his price, he drives away.

Meanwhile, F9 has a backlog of willing and ready pilot candidates despite paying less than what you think is the “industry standard” rate.




Deal with it.

Originally Posted by VisionWings (Post 3938993)

Originally Posted by BobSacamano (Post 3938988)

For the love of God can we put this brain dead attempt at an analogy to bed, once and for all?

Fuel costs the same because if you tell the fueler you don’t want to pay his price, he drives away.

Meanwhile, F9 has a backlog of willing and ready pilot candidates despite paying less than what you think is the “industry standard” rate.

Deal with it.

Originally Posted by BobSacamano (Post 3939014)

Because, just like F9, those legacies pay more than the market requires.

And unlike the legacies, F9 hires deeper into that pool.

Originally Posted by As786 (Post 3938974)

Legacy rates are a pipe dream. You flat out don’t pull the same revenue, you got nothing that goes over the Atlantic, or the Pacific, or a domestic business class seat, with internet, cocktails, or food. Hell, you can get a premium product on a RJ now a days, and charge your phone!