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Originally Posted by JoeFever1
(Post 3940258)
The money is fine. It's the rest that will determine which way I'd vote.
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Originally Posted by dracir1
(Post 3940245)
No the F it's not!!!!!
I can do math bro. Raising my pay up to the bottom (like last time) is a SOLID NO. If you're good with it, then we'll know come vote day. The real question usually comes down to $70,000 raise today (yes vote) or mystery pay raise at a mystery time in the future (no vote) That's what's complicated. |
Originally Posted by Aero1900
(Post 3940309)
Unfortunately, it is complicated.
The real question usually comes down to $70,000 raise today (yes vote) or mystery pay raise at a mystery time in the future (no vote) That's what's complicated. |
Originally Posted by dracir1
(Post 3940255)
This mentality is exactly why F9 will remain a stepping stone airline.
Not trying to stir the pot but look at it objectively…… business plan support that idea ? How about the quality of MGT to someday get there with a different business plan (ULCC isn’t the way) ? I have my doubts… IMO when F9 lost its unique appeal and hopes of being a market disruptor is when they filed CH 11. That set off a downward chain of events that ended up with the current Indigo situation. At the time of the acquisition it seemed like a perfect situation long term with the merger of SPA and F9 being the end game. The market has shifted away from that business model and may shift back in time but does the company have enough cash to weather that storm with the Board and CEO they have in place now ? Get all you can in Section 6 but you will never surpass Legacy contracts - that’s just my opinion. That being said I will be walking in circles with y’all when you need it. |
Originally Posted by Aero1900
(Post 3940309)
Unfortunately, it is complicated.
The real question usually comes down to $70,000 raise today (yes vote) or mystery pay raise at a mystery time in the future (no vote) That's what's complicated. |
Originally Posted by Aero1900
(Post 3940309)
Unfortunately, it is complicated.
The real question usually comes down to $70,000 raise today (yes vote) or mystery pay raise at a mystery time in the future (no vote) That's what's complicated. |
Originally Posted by Shrek
(Post 3940320)
Can it be anything else ?
Not trying to stir the pot but look at it objectively…… business plan support that idea ? How about the quality of MGT to someday get there with a different business plan (ULCC isn’t the way) ? I have my doubts… IMO when F9 lost its unique appeal and hopes of being a market disruptor is when they filed CH 11. That set off a downward chain of events that ended up with the current Indigo situation. At the time of the acquisition it seemed like a perfect situation long term with the merger of SPA and F9 being the end game. The market has shifted away from that business model and may shift back in time but does the company have enough cash to weather that storm with the Board and CEO they have in place now ? Get all you can in Section 6 but you will never surpass Legacy contracts - that’s just my opinion. That being said I will be walking in circles with y’all when you need it. |
Originally Posted by CGLimits
(Post 3940348)
I don’t think anyone is asking or expecting to surpass Legacy contracts. That is silly. We just want to be in line with everyone else.
You’re actually wrong. We want to pass their current rates. Time value of money. We make substantially less than them. Never meet their same hourly rate and delay 2-4 years to even get that gap to be within 5%. we want to beat their current pay rate. We are last in cycle we should be pulling the industry up not snapping on to the last cycle years later. but thanks for telling us you don’t value our work as much because we have a different name on the side of our 321NEOs. |
Originally Posted by Aero1900
(Post 3940309)
Unfortunately, it is complicated.
The real question usually comes down to $70,000 raise today (yes vote) or mystery pay raise at a mystery time in the future (no vote) That's what's complicated. should’ve got that legacy retro/profit sharing/pay raises from 2-3 years ago and invested it in the market or housing. but hindsight is 20/10. |
Originally Posted by VisionWings
(Post 3940369)
You’re actually wrong. We want to pass their current rates. Time value of money. We make substantially less than them. Never meet their same hourly rate and delay 2-4 years to even get that gap to be within 5%.
we want to beat their current pay rate. We are last in cycle we should be pulling the industry up not snapping on to the last cycle years later. but thanks for telling us you don’t value our work as much because we have a different name on the side of our 321NEOs. There’s room to go down to legacy guarantee and bump the rates no? Not one person has mentioned the other side of the equation. |
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