I think the answer at the core is that trowser and flyboy have no pride in what they do as professionals. Those of us that do and see our peers and how they are compensated for what they do are rightly pi$$ed off. Apparently they have no dignity and no issue with the fact that our management sees us as essentially slave labor, getting paid less than FOs at places like Envoy and PSA. But that's cool with them. They are going to make excuses for management and how they do business. The rest of the 998 pilots here can be mad as he!! about what's going on here. I just hope I don't get stuck in a 4 day with either of you.

 

Took spirit 3 years to get released from negotiating with indigo.

 

Hey jackass you find one post that I stated anything was okay.
Why don't you grow up.

What's apparent is you've never been through any contract negotiations with anything other than your parents for your allowance.

4 day with me? PM your info I'll buy you lunch.

 

Ok, so when will Frontier get released to strike, what date will that be? You seem to be an expert on all.

 

Here is the difference between Frontier and SUDA (Southwest/United/Delta/American):

1) You fly more people per flight. That means more liability- higher chances of a medical or fight on board.

2) Your travel benefits are less relevant. You can't just take your wife to Europe on a company plane. Your status as a pilot means nothing on other airlines. Buddy passes are worthless, more difficult to jumpseat, etc.

3) More red-eye flying as a percentage of total flying. Southwest doesn't do red-eyes. Just saying.

4) Hotels (and rides to them) are inferior. But to be fair, this saves the company money. Oh, and the 1-2-3 bar deal comes to mind.

5) At the risk of sounding snooty here, there is a correlation between the cost of a ULCC ticket and the... class of individual buying it. Just walk around A terminal in Denver, then do the same in B or C. You'll see what I mean.

6) In flight meals/movies/ovens/first class seating does not exist for pilot benefit in any capacity.

My point? I'm really not trying to complain, just pointing out that the job we do for this business model is more challenging and has less perks than at the Big 4. Like UPS or Fedex, we should be paid more for that.

Not less. Not "industry average."

 

I like your points except for your ridiculous comment about " more difficult to Jumpseat". Where are you coming up with that BS? Predicated on what?

 

Not sure what your beef with me is. I'm not an expert but someone said you will never get released and I said you can absolutely get released if indigo keeps up with these kind of offers and the pilot group sticks together and doesn't cave and get worse down by them. You seem to be hostile toward me or those comments.

 

Sent you a PM about how I made my money flying. Spoiler alert - it wasn't my parents allowance. When did you get your lobotomy?

 

Btw, it's been insinuated multiple times on here you're a management troll. Is that you JP? Or Jimmy N? If so I can save myself the hassle and just PM you my resignation letter. How's that for putting my money where my mouth is?

 

I don't care what's been insinuated.
Someone comes on the board, chooses to be positive about our contract negotiations in terms of what lies ahead and you act like a horses ass.

BTW you didn't put your money anywhere. You sent a PM talking about your flying experience which has no mention of any contract negotiations. Exactly what I pointed out.

I guess you don't want me to buy you lunch. No mention of that in your PM, money where your mouth is.