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Old 04-24-2016 | 09:15 PM
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Those pay rates posted as the NC proposal are an embarrassment considering today's market. They also set a dangerous precedent for us at spirit and going into a merger, putting up a proposal like that should have the entire NC fired. Am I missing something here?
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Old 04-24-2016 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Those pay rates posted as the NC proposal are an embarrassment considering today's market. They also set a dangerous precedent for us at spirit and going into a merger, putting up a proposal like that should have the entire NC fired. Am I missing something here?
I would say you definitely are. The proposal the NC submitted to the company is an interim rate that will be in place during negotiations. It is a function of LOA 67 and has nothing to do with negotiations. There will be pay increases above the interim rates ( if the company signs off, which is a big if) Now look, we have a long way to go and I hope the NC will have the stones to stand up to the company when push comes to shove, but the way I understand it, this is a temporary rate put in place while the NC negotiates a new contract, for me, the new rates equate to a 40k increase during negotiations which doesn't suck, and if the company balls, they are going to use that as an argument for retro. Personally, I have no complaints with the NC to date.
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Old 04-24-2016 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeybrains
I would say you definitely are. The proposal the NC submitted to the company is an interim rate that will be in place during negotiations. It is a function of LOA 67 and has nothing to do with negotiations. There will be pay increases above the interim rates ( if the company signs off, which is a big if) Now look, we have a long way to go and I hope the NC will have the stones to stand up to the company when push comes to shove, but the way I understand it, this is a temporary rate put in place while the NC negotiates a new contract, for me, the new rates equate to a 40k increase during negotiations which doesn't suck, and if the company balls, they are going to use that as an argument for retro. Personally, I have no complaints with the NC to date.
That's exactly right. Do not confuse the pay rate table posted a page or two back with our goals for our new contract. Frontier pilots signed an LOA back in 2011 during bankruptcy that said following 2 years of profitability, pay rates snap back and then we negotiate further pay raises. It is totally separate from a future contract. I fully support what the negotiating committee is doing.
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Old 04-25-2016 | 05:45 AM
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So that's a snap back to your previous rates? If so what's to propose? Don't they snap back to a scale that was already negotiated years ago? What's loa 67? Sorry for being ignorant.
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Old 04-25-2016 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
So that's a snap back to your previous rates? If so what's to propose? Don't they snap back to a scale that was already negotiated years ago? What's loa 67? Sorry for being ignorant.
There were a series of automatic 'snap-backs' that happened, will continue to happen under a sustained period of profitability. These bumps were fairly meager.

In addition to these automatic pre-defined snap-backs, the company also agreed to negotiate further 'restored' upward pay adjustments. i.e. a whole new set of pay rates if business became profitable. The rates you saw are the union's proposal under this agreement. It is entirely separate from section 6.
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Old 04-25-2016 | 08:42 AM
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When you say management agreed do you mean a previous management or the current Franke and co
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Old 04-25-2016 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
When you say management agreed do you mean a previous management or the current Franke and co
Previous.


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Old 04-25-2016 | 09:56 AM
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The company has decided to delay the next round of negotiations until May 6 so they can "discuss" these new rates... Basiclly that means they're going to say give up anything that makes this place worth working for and you can have your rates... By the time this is all said and done well be 3 contracts behind everyone else... I get why they're doing it but if they keep pinching the purse strings, they're going to make it impossible to hire/keep anyone worth working with... A sad state of affairs

And I'd say, if it weren't for the RLA, 85+% of the pilots here would go on strike tomorrow
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Old 04-25-2016 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
.. Basiclly that means they're going to say give up anything that makes this place worth working for and you can have your rates...
I'm a 135/corporate guy, so forgive my ignorance....but what do you think management wants the pilots to give up in exchange for higher pay rates? I'm trying to do as much research as possible before committing to the 24 month contract.
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Old 04-25-2016 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker
I'm a 135/corporate guy, so forgive my ignorance....but what do you think management wants the pilots to give up in exchange for higher pay rates? I'm trying to do as much research as possible before committing to the 24 month contract.
Could be anything they perceive as inconvenient or expensive. The sky is the limit. No pun intended, but it kinda worked out.

I wouldn't want to give them any ideas by being more specific and would respectfully suggest that others take this into consideration if you choose to respond.
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