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Old 09-17-2015, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Arty13 View Post
I get the sentiment. But I do think you are crapping on your brothers needlessly.
Think about it. I have not been hired at DL, UAL, AA. So, by sticking around the regionals, by your logic, I am supporting higher wages? Your statement does not add up.
If you have been hired at a legacy, that is great, and I send my congratulations. We're all (or at least most) trying to get there. No need to bag on us who took what we could to ditch the regionals.
I'm sorry if I sounded like I was putting you or others who work at Frontier down, that was not my intention. I am upset that Frontier does not pay its pilots more. When I wrote guys and girls keeping the bar low, I meant for that to be more directed at the management, not the pilot group. To make matters worse, they try and trap people there with that stupid training agreement. I can't wait for the day that these places will be handing out 20,000 dollar bonuses. It's already happening at the regionals.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Droolin View Post
I'm sorry if I sounded like I was putting you or others who work at Frontier down, that was not my intention. I am upset that Frontier does not pay its pilots more. When I wrote guys and girls keeping the bar low, I meant for that to be more directed at the management, not the pilot group. To make matters worse, they try and trap people there with that stupid training agreement. I can't wait for the day that these places will be handing out 20,000 dollar bonuses. It's already happening at the regionals.
What you said vs. what you apparently meant are worlds apart. You should be grateful for the opportunities you've been given. Getting on a high horse and parading with words such as the ones you chose paint you as an ungracious simpleton. Best of luck
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Old 09-19-2015, 11:27 AM
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This regional airline should be the very bottom of anyone's list.

If you can't get to any of the legacy, SWA, JB, and other others, milk this company dry then move on to an airline that's worth deserving of your career. Used it them and move on.

F9 pay is abysmal and makes you sign a contract.

Do you really want to spend your entire life working for this bottom feeder?
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ichigo View Post
This regional airline should be the very bottom of anyone's list.

If you can't get to any of the legacy, SWA, JB, and other others, milk this company dry then move on to an airline that's worth deserving of your career. Used it them and move on.

F9 pay is abysmal and makes you sign a contract.

Do you really want to spend your entire life working for this bottom feeder?
I'm sorry your Frontier interview didn't go better. Try reapplying in six months, and using a professional interview prep service. Good luck!
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Old 09-19-2015, 02:15 PM
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I'm sorry your Frontier interview didn't go better. Try reapplying in six months, and using a professional interview prep service. Good luck!
And make sure that the Interview Prep company includes a grammar checking service for your resume. Otherwise, I'm not sure they would be 'worth deserving' of your money.
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Old 09-19-2015, 02:37 PM
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Frontier has a training contract seriously? If so, why are they so picky on who they hire?
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Old 09-19-2015, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass View Post
Frontier has a training contract seriously? If so, why are they so picky on who they hire?
We are very picky about who we hire, because it is still largely the pilots who get to interview, and therefore choose, the guys we fly with.

We have a training contract because unfortunately we are still plagued by that nuisance known as 'management'.
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Old 09-19-2015, 05:25 PM
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Training Contract because newbies are leaving and getting hired on with a much suitable legacy/airline. Like I said, milk them and move on.

There are so many in the current list that were/are found undesirable by the legacies, no PIC because they came from the likes of Great Mistakes and Lynx, and some have spotty record.

They are your great defenders in this board because they are just plain stuck/lifers.
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Old 09-19-2015, 05:39 PM
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Throughout this thread several times it has been mentioned of training contracts, whether first heard during the interview or in class. Yet no one has said anything of actually signing one. I would think the contract would have to be signed for it to exist. Has anyone signed one?
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Old 09-19-2015, 07:12 PM
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Training Contract because newbies are leaving and getting hired on with a much suitable legacy/airline...{SNIP}.
I'd like to see some numbers to validate this. I was hired in March '14 and I've calculated only an average of 2.4 pilots per month attrition from the list above me, and this includes retirements and non-newbies leaving for legacies. Everyone, save one, from my class of 20 is still here, and the one who left, took a recall.

Anyone from later classes experience multiple classmates quitting?

Please don't get me wrong, I fault no man/woman for doing what is in their best interest. And I don't disagree with the premise of the quote above. I'd just like to know how bad the bleeding is because it seems like a training contract is going to have a very real set of negative consequences in its own right.
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