Ok guys and gals, stop doing things beyond the scope of your job. If you're injured or you injure someone else while performing duties outside the scope of your job description/training you will have no protection from the company nor the union and will probably forfeit any right to Workers Comp as well as any Disability benefits.

Not sure how I can be any clearer than that but please don't put yourself at risk.

 

I do, but tell me where it says my job is carrying strollers?

The problem lies with guys who want to solve the company's problems. It sucks it takes 20 minutes to get a stroller brought up, but why in the hell would management attempt to solve that problem when we solve it for them for FREE!

 

Very offensive offer

 

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THIS

And from Phoenix - "I would have helped the mom as well. There's a huge different about not helping the company out and another about helping a person in need. We are human after all"
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This is where we get into the debate about where the cycle begins and ends.

The "person in need" bought the lowest cost POS tickets she could, but, if you keep making the product look better than it really can be for the money spent by the customer, the company has NO reason to change, and you just got another responsibility added to the expectation of a pilot's job - FOR FREE.

The passengers jump at the lowest cost and management jumps at the biggest pile of money. If the passenger can get the same experience for $35 as they can for $45 they will, but guess who gets to use the $10 to compete with OALs and pad their bank accounts? If the passengers have to wait 10 minutes in a hot jetway for car seats maybe they'll look at the cost of saving $10 and book away next time.

The only thing management understands or cares about is money.

 

Hey F9Driver, I would like to hear your thoughts on Management's opening proposal that we have recently received. Is this a typical opening proposal from management as you have seen and witnessed at Frontier previously, or you have knowledge of from other airlines and their initial management proposals?

For me, I don't recall ever hearing of such a radical, concessionary, and insulting first proposal, even during the worst of times.

 

Really?

It's nothing unusual. Spirit went on strike with the same management team. That should tell you everything.

Google the Alpa scab list and look down the center lane at the number of airlines having struck. That'll make you feel better knowing your not alone when Frontier strikes.

People need to stop being "insulted". Anyone here ever try to buy something and make a low ball offer? It's no different. Don't get upset, just say no, that's not going to work. Then we just keep saying that until it does work.

 

Having a small child myself and traveling with her or my wife traveling by herself with her is hard regardless of the airline or the price of the tickets. Having someone help with the stroller is very much appreciated. I will always help another person with something like that, not for the company's benefit but because I've been there on the other side and would hope someone would extend the same courtesy to my wife. Those who wouldn't just to "not help the company" are complete douche bags. And I would tell that to their face if I ever saw that attitude.
Grow up. It's about helping a fellow person.

 

My post is only about liability and risk management...period! It has nothing to do with politics. The union has been absent on this issue so I guess it's up to me to make the PSA.

If you choose to help out a passenger in need (in a non emergency situation) and somehow you injure that passenger in the process you had better have a large personal umbrella liability policy because that will be your only financial protection. Furthermore, the company will have every right to pursue disciplinary/termination action because you injured a passenger doing something that wasn't in your job description/job training

Worker's Comp and Disability Ins aren't my thing but you'd probably be denied benes because you were injured doing someone else's job.

Geez.

 

Completely agree. We work for a team of heartless *********. I refuse to let them turn me into one.

On another note, if we can get into mediation within six months of our opener we're ahead of schedule. Doesn't excuse the company's joke of an offer but the process is moving along as it should. Keep an eye on Hawaiian. If they can get released in just over a year it sets a good precedent for us. Stay strong, stay unified, start saving, and get ready to picket.

 

Good post.