Frontier Hiring.
09-22-2016, 09:48 AM
#5481
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,663
Having a small child myself and traveling with her or my wife traveling by herself with her is hard regardless of the airline or the price of the tickets. Having someone help with the stroller is very much appreciated. I will always help another person with something like that, not for the company's benefit but because I've been there on the other side and would hope someone would extend the same courtesy to my wife. Those who wouldn't just to "not help the company" are complete douche bags. And I would tell that to their face if I ever saw that attitude.
Grow up. It's about helping a fellow person.
Grow up. It's about helping a fellow person.
09-22-2016, 10:16 AM
#5482
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 71
Originally Posted by F9 Driver
^^^^^^^^^
THIS
And from Phoenix - "I would have helped the mom as well. There's a huge different about not helping the company out and another about helping a person in need. We are human after all"
^^^^^
This is where we get into the debate about where the cycle begins and ends.
The "person in need" bought the lowest cost POS tickets she could, but, if you keep making the product look better than it really can be for the money spent by the customer, the company has NO reason to change, and you just got another responsibility added to the expectation of a pilot's job - FOR FREE.
The passengers jump at the lowest cost and management jumps at the biggest pile of money. If the passenger can get the same experience for $35 as they can for $45 they will, but guess who gets to use the $10 to compete with OALs and pad their bank accounts? If the passengers have to wait 10 minutes in a hot jetway for car seats maybe they'll look at the cost of saving $10 and book away next time.
The only thing management understands or cares about is money.
THIS
And from Phoenix - "I would have helped the mom as well. There's a huge different about not helping the company out and another about helping a person in need. We are human after all"
^^^^^
This is where we get into the debate about where the cycle begins and ends.
The "person in need" bought the lowest cost POS tickets she could, but, if you keep making the product look better than it really can be for the money spent by the customer, the company has NO reason to change, and you just got another responsibility added to the expectation of a pilot's job - FOR FREE.
The passengers jump at the lowest cost and management jumps at the biggest pile of money. If the passenger can get the same experience for $35 as they can for $45 they will, but guess who gets to use the $10 to compete with OALs and pad their bank accounts? If the passengers have to wait 10 minutes in a hot jetway for car seats maybe they'll look at the cost of saving $10 and book away next time.
The only thing management understands or cares about is money.
If you choose to help out a passenger in need (in a non emergency situation) and somehow you injure that passenger in the process you had better have a large personal umbrella liability policy because that will be your only financial protection. Furthermore, the company will have every right to pursue disciplinary/termination action because you injured a passenger doing something that wasn't in your job description/job training
Worker's Comp and Disability Ins aren't my thing but you'd probably be denied benes because you were injured doing someone else's job.
Geez.
09-22-2016, 10:21 AM
#5483
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 289
Originally Posted by hoover
Having a small child myself and traveling with her or my wife traveling by herself with her is hard regardless of the airline or the price of the tickets. Having someone help with the stroller is very much appreciated. I will always help another person with something like that, not for the company's benefit but because I've been there on the other side and would hope someone would extend the same courtesy to my wife. Those who wouldn't just to "not help the company" are complete douche bags. And I would tell that to their face if I ever saw that attitude.
Grow up. It's about helping a fellow person.
Grow up. It's about helping a fellow person.
On another note, if we can get into mediation within six months of our opener we're ahead of schedule. Doesn't excuse the company's joke of an offer but the process is moving along as it should. Keep an eye on Hawaiian. If they can get released in just over a year it sets a good precedent for us. Stay strong, stay unified, start saving, and get ready to picket.
09-22-2016, 10:39 AM
#5484
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 629
Originally Posted by AncientAliens
if we can get into mediation within six months of our opener we're ahead of schedule. Doesn't excuse the company's joke of an offer but the process is moving along as it should. Keep an eye on Hawaiian. If they can get released in just over a year it sets a good precedent for us. Stay strong, stay unified, start saving, and get ready to picket.
09-22-2016, 11:52 AM
#5485
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 387
Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
Hey F9Driver, I would like to hear your thoughts on Management's opening proposal that we have recently received. Is this a typical opening proposal from management as you have seen and witnessed at Frontier previously, or you have knowledge of from other airlines and their initial management proposals?
For me, I don't recall ever hearing of such a radical, concessionary, and insulting first proposal, even during the worst of times.
For me, I don't recall ever hearing of such a radical, concessionary, and insulting first proposal, even during the worst of times.
Don't forget, they make more net profit every day we work for our status quo pay with our status quo attitude ("Thank you sir; may I have another!?)
If they can get us reacting emotionally rather than following the most direct line to release - it's all the better for them.
Follow the contract and FOM; nothing more - nothing less. It's what we're paid to do.
09-22-2016, 04:04 PM
#5486
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 45
WHY
Why would anyone want to come and work here right now? It certainly can't be the "quick upgrade" it isn't happening.
I hear less than 1/2 are showing up for interviews and 1/2 show up for class. Are we starting to hire from the bottom of the gene pool yet?
I hear less than 1/2 are showing up for interviews and 1/2 show up for class. Are we starting to hire from the bottom of the gene pool yet?
09-22-2016, 06:03 PM
#5487
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
Forgive the lame analogies - I am just trying to describe what I'm thinking, and it seems easiest.
So called 'cooler heads' keep saying "relax guys, it's called negotiations" Making the case that it's normal for the company to start at - 10, and we start at + 10 and meet somewhere around Zero. Fine! But that's not what happened. Is it? ...... And this is my concern (not a complaint mind you, just a concern, and I'm open to correction)
We didn't start at + 10. We didn't even start at + 1. The pay proposals that the union came up with, in my mind, were too low and are the very least we should accept. And that's assuming we give absolutely nothing away and also make strong gains wrt to retirement, health insurance, and the other proposals they made.
Then we get the company's proposal and it isn't -10. It's at like -100! So here we are: We started on the main floor of the house, when we should have started on the roof, and they started in the bottom of the septic tank under a sludge of $#!t instead of the basement. Where will we meet up???
So called 'cooler heads' keep saying "relax guys, it's called negotiations" Making the case that it's normal for the company to start at - 10, and we start at + 10 and meet somewhere around Zero. Fine! But that's not what happened. Is it? ...... And this is my concern (not a complaint mind you, just a concern, and I'm open to correction)
We didn't start at + 10. We didn't even start at + 1. The pay proposals that the union came up with, in my mind, were too low and are the very least we should accept. And that's assuming we give absolutely nothing away and also make strong gains wrt to retirement, health insurance, and the other proposals they made.
Then we get the company's proposal and it isn't -10. It's at like -100! So here we are: We started on the main floor of the house, when we should have started on the roof, and they started in the bottom of the septic tank under a sludge of $#!t instead of the basement. Where will we meet up???
09-22-2016, 06:14 PM
#5488
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
Originally Posted by sulkair
Forgive the lame analogies - I am just trying to describe what I'm thinking, and it seems easiest.
So called 'cooler heads' keep saying "relax guys, it's called negotiations" Making the case that it's normal for the company to start at - 10, and we start at + 10 and meet somewhere around Zero. Fine! But that's not what happened. Is it? ...... And this is my concern (not a complaint mind you, just a concern, and I'm open to correction)
We didn't start at + 10. We didn't even start at + 1. The pay proposals that the union came up with, in my mind, were too low and are the very least we should accept. And that's assuming we give absolutely nothing away and also make strong gains wrt to retirement, health insurance, and the other proposals they made.
Then we get the company's proposal and it isn't -10. It's at like -100! So here we are: We started on the main floor of the house, when we should have started on the roof, and they started in the bottom of the septic tank under a sludge of $#!t instead of the basement. Where will we meet up???
So called 'cooler heads' keep saying "relax guys, it's called negotiations" Making the case that it's normal for the company to start at - 10, and we start at + 10 and meet somewhere around Zero. Fine! But that's not what happened. Is it? ...... And this is my concern (not a complaint mind you, just a concern, and I'm open to correction)
We didn't start at + 10. We didn't even start at + 1. The pay proposals that the union came up with, in my mind, were too low and are the very least we should accept. And that's assuming we give absolutely nothing away and also make strong gains wrt to retirement, health insurance, and the other proposals they made.
Then we get the company's proposal and it isn't -10. It's at like -100! So here we are: We started on the main floor of the house, when we should have started on the roof, and they started in the bottom of the septic tank under a sludge of $#!t instead of the basement. Where will we meet up???
09-22-2016, 06:52 PM
#5489
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 78
Originally Posted by sulkair
Forgive the lame analogies - I am just trying to describe what I'm thinking, and it seems easiest.
So called 'cooler heads' keep saying "relax guys, it's called negotiations" Making the case that it's normal for the company to start at - 10, and we start at + 10 and meet somewhere around Zero. Fine! But that's not what happened. Is it? ...... And this is my concern (not a complaint mind you, just a concern, and I'm open to correction)
We didn't start at + 10. We didn't even start at + 1. The pay proposals that the union came up with, in my mind, were too low and are the very least we should accept. And that's assuming we give absolutely nothing away and also make strong gains wrt to retirement, health insurance, and the other proposals they made.
Then we get the company's proposal and it isn't -10. It's at like -100! So here we are: We started on the main floor of the house, when we should have started on the roof, and they started in the bottom of the septic tank under a sludge of $#!t instead of the basement. Where will we meet up???
So called 'cooler heads' keep saying "relax guys, it's called negotiations" Making the case that it's normal for the company to start at - 10, and we start at + 10 and meet somewhere around Zero. Fine! But that's not what happened. Is it? ...... And this is my concern (not a complaint mind you, just a concern, and I'm open to correction)
We didn't start at + 10. We didn't even start at + 1. The pay proposals that the union came up with, in my mind, were too low and are the very least we should accept. And that's assuming we give absolutely nothing away and also make strong gains wrt to retirement, health insurance, and the other proposals they made.
Then we get the company's proposal and it isn't -10. It's at like -100! So here we are: We started on the main floor of the house, when we should have started on the roof, and they started in the bottom of the septic tank under a sludge of $#!t instead of the basement. Where will we meet up???
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