Southerndog

Indigo has no intrest in negotiating with us. Look at how much money they are saving everyday by paying us the lowest rates in the whole industry. This was their plan all along, stall, stall, stall, then offer the most absurd proposal that they are even laughing about. The only way they will negotiate is when the A/C are not moving and we take the fight to the streets. ALPA has seen this before with Spirit and if you think it will end any other way you are CRAZY. Start saving your money, this will only be settled with a STRIKE!!!

Hou757

Please post highlights? Pay rate proposals?

dang

Around 20% pay rate increase. With a complete slaughter to all work rules. Too embarrassing to post much more.

Southerndog

There were NO highlights, and the pay rates don't matter because the ridiculously proposed changes to the contract were so unbelievable that no one could take it as a seriously attempt to negotiate.

OpenClimb

I'll post a few of the proposed terms. I think these folks need to be publicly shamed and I hope potential new hires will consider the company's proposal when deciding to spend hundreds of dollars on some BS job fair.

1. Eliminate all rig pay
2. Reduce minimum guarantee to 70 hours (from 75)
3. Reduce training pay to 3 hours/day (from 4)
4. 50% of reserve pilot days off are moveable by the Company
5. Eliminate ability for reserve to swap days
6. Company unilaterally picks hotels without Union input
7. Vacation pay is worth 3 hours per day
8. Max of 4 hours for a sick day instead of whatever trip is covered. (We accrue and use sick DAYS, not hours--currently accrue 1 day per month)
9. If not available to fly for the entire bid month, you'd be placed on reserve
10. No more premium pay (125%) for credits above 82 in a bid period
11. Drops/swaps buffers entirely at company's discretion
12. Eliminate contractual rest and duty limitations--Schedule to FARs
13. Eliminate monthly open time
14. Zero pay for deadheading
15. Legs paid by company-determined "segment time" instead of current block or better.

Creation of 2 different pay rates… New rate (20% higher than our current concessionary rates) for actual flight time. Our current hourly rate for all other "non-flown" credit hours. These non-flown hours would include training, vacation, sick, difference between flown hours and guarantee hours for reserves, etc.

14 year CA pay at DOS: $192.25 ($160.21 for "non-flown" credits)
14 year CA pay at 24 mos.: $224.29 *** ($160.21 for "non-flown" credits)

14 year FO pay at DOS: $15.36 ($96.13 for "non-flown" credits)
14 year FO pay at 24 mos.: $134.58 *** ($96.13 for "non-flown" credits)

*** But this 24mos. rate is dependent on the company achieving efficiency gains based on the revised work rules. If these gains are not achieved, then the $192.25 stays in effect for the life of the contract.

There are a few other little gems, but it'd take a ridiculously long post to explain them fully. In all honestly, I've already given this proposal more airtime than it deserves, but I think it's important for potential new hires to see what we're dealing with.

It's as if a group of Frontier management met at a bar Sunday night after the Bronco's game and decided to assemble the worst provisions from any contract they could find. The least drunk in the group was assigned duties as scribe and the least hungover from the group presented the amalgamation to ALPA on Monday morning.

The good news is that it should be painfully obvious to the NMB that the Company is not negotiating in good faith.

turbojet28

I like to think of myself as as even-keeled as anyone, but even I was laughing tonight.

TommyBoI

I mean c'mon guys, who needs deadhead pay? We don't have to buy tickets...they're giving us a free ride on a plane, sweet!!!!!!!!!

This offer is so bizarre, all you can do is laugh

etflies

I'm hearing all but a couple rampers walked off the job in Denver this evening.

Aero1900

The contract proposal is simply bizarre. I have to assume it's just a stalling technique. They probably figure it'll take our negotiating team a year to fight all this BS and start the real negotiations. It seems to me that the company's goal was 1) stall the process and 2) lower our expectations and make us think that any of the little battles we win are actually battles won

The union is filing for Mediation immediately following this proposal from the company. Let's see where mediation takes us.

Aero1900

It's funny, I was afraid they were going to ask for PBS. But, instead they figured they would just cut monthly guarantee, cut deadhead pay, and cut trip rig instead. But hey, at least no PBS!

How long is it going to take until we get assigned a mediator?