crxpilot

You will NEVER get released,........see Allegiant. (And believe me I think the game is rigged for sure against pilot groups)

Qotsaautopilot

You can and will get released if you stick together. The Allegiant pilots didn't get released because their management got slightly more reasonable and the pilot group chose to ratify an underwhelming contract. Of course you don't get released if you choose to accept management's terms.

Remember this management group has a history and triggered a release in the middle of a recession. At spirit their offer was called contract 9000 because that's how unrealistic it was. It contained many of the same proposals that you guys just got in yours. They know it's absurd but it's a stall tactic. They stuck to their guns back in 2010 and that's what triggered the release. I imagine they will take it as far as they can this time and then change their tune at the final hour to prevent a strike. The frontier pilots could literally be asking for close to 100% raises with improved work rules and not be seen as unreasonable in today's market. The spirit pilots had a much different market to work with in 2010 and still persevered. Let this offer be a unifier toward a common enemey.

F9 Driver

Close of business on a Friday would make the management shills weekend. Don't cha think?

flyboyx

i read this four times. i still am not sure what you mean?

kb8018

I'm thinking he means file for mediation by Friday, not actually seen by a mediator on Friday.

Edit - Well.... Look at that. Just checked my email. We filed today.

F9 Driver

We have a WINNER!👍

I heard that FAPA once filed a fistful of very consequential grievances the evening of the Christmas party. Lorenzo would only file his big motions on the eve of Jewish high holy days.
If you don't think this gets personal quickly you're mistaken.

Trowserchilli

This is a good post. And yes, of course we can get released.

Spirit was released and asking for MORE than some of the legacies, they were in BK. They came out with an, at the time, industry leading contract.

This all I've been trying to say all along.
Stay positive.
Stay committed.
Stay unified.
Stay professional and we will get this done.

flyboyx

i don't fault you for being upset, but it is only personal for you and angry others like you. this is NOT frank lorenzo we are dealing with. they are indeed not nice people, but we are not even in the same ballpark. the analogy is....ridiculous. history shows that frank was, well....ruthless and pure evil. this mgt group is here to simply make as much money as they can. it is NOT personal for them. if we are going to get anywhere, we(as in you) are going to need to separate these two important aspects and start thinking rationally. you are making a mistake to think this is personal for them. i promise you it is not. they look at it as doing business the same way they have been doing business for however many years they have been doing this. take a deep breath. think about it.....you are approaching this all wrong. at the end of the day we are dealing with pragmatists. not lorenzos. they will cave at the eleventh hour because that is the pragmatic business decision that will need to be made when the time comes.


instead of concentrating on burning the place to the ground, we need to channel efforts into getting released as soon as possible.

TurboFanMan

Hey everyone, long time listener, first time caller. Lol
I got a call from Frontier this past Monday. They have invited me to Denver to interview. I've not received an e-mail yet with any logistics. Did you guys get yours right away, or does it take some time.

Thanks!!

FreshWater

I will mark this statement here. And come back in a year and see how that release went.