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Old 07-22-2016, 01:27 PM   #5001  
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And be prepared to go on strike while they may be on probation.
Is there really no protection for a probationary pilot who will not cross a picket line?

Would they really be fired?

What happened to first year guys at Spirit when they went on strike - or were there any?
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Old 07-22-2016, 01:44 PM   #5002  
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Another point to make for the younger people on this board. No matter what airline you choose, dont let it define you. I know most of you had goals to be Airline Pilots. Most of you had goals to cherish and work hard for your company. These goals are great but remember, management of today only care for their own pockets. Their greed is so evident and arrogant, people dont see or question it. You are only a unit cost and will be lied to and exploited. TRY TO LEARN A SIDE JOB, CAREER OR EDUCATE YOURSELF to take advantage of your ability to take care of your family with supplemental means. Learn something on the side and start a business. You have extra time, grow! Dont fall victim to greedy establishments.
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Old 07-22-2016, 02:57 PM   #5003  
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Well Southwest is picketing in Houston and Dallas jobs could open up there. Just consider it a form of individual merger.
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:42 PM   #5004  
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Is there really no protection for a probationary pilot who will not cross a picket line?

Would they really be fired?

What happened to first year guys at Spirit when they went on strike - or were there any?
Google "Return to Work agreement". There are terms set between parties and any probationary pilot fired for striking would be included in such.

Long way off from that point.
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Old 07-22-2016, 08:48 PM   #5005  
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Or you can inform people of the realities of working at F9. Making this place out to be Shangri-La, utopian, or even bearable at this point would be a horrible disservice to those with choices. The purpose of this hiring thread should be to give candidates a true picture of what's in store. And it will not be pretty for a while. Go elsewhere my friends, best advice I could give to anyone.
I agree completely. I can only speak from my experience but...

People come to F9 for probably 1 of 2 reasons - they live in Denver (or other base city) and/or they are at a regional hoping for better. If there was a pilot out there that had offers from us as well as a legacy, SWA, Alaska/Virgin, JB or possibly even Spirit and lived in Vegas or St Louis or Charlotte (basically anywhere but a F9 base), I doubt very seriously they'd be asking questions about the pay here. They can answer that question on their own and it's not hard to figure out we're the lowest in the industry. Already, knowing that, the QoL that we have would have to be pretty significant to DECIDE to come here vs. anywhere else. Perhaps a deciding factor between us and Spirit is upgrade time but I'd find it a little strange that anyone would forgo someplace else for here because it's just a great place to fly.

I've been on property for a lil under a year. I think the people that I fly with are pretty good people. I think most of the FAs are decent. The hotels are average (not better than my regional all) and the contract is great in some areas and poor in others. F9 is a step above my regional IMO and probably just about every other regional in the long run. Of course, this isn't a profound statement.

But, I agree with you. Let's be honest about our company. Decent people, OK contract with a big IF looming. As far as the contract negotiation goes, I think the major issues are like PBS, LOA 67, reserve rules, etc. I have no idea how any of that is going specifically other than what I read in ALPA/FAPA emails.
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Old 07-22-2016, 09:33 PM   #5006  
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Posted on the DAL board.

"Rejoice! That DUI isn't such a big deal.

You are about to get the call. Same for plenty of guys who didn't make the cut the first time.

I strongly encourage everyone in any tier to stay away. Go somewhere with better pay, more retirements, and more widebodies. And a management team that's willing to pay market rates with market QOL. Delta management is not willing to do that. Good job, bean counters. You just ruined a good thing. You won't be able to get it back.

If you can get to UPS or FedEx, do so."
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Old 07-23-2016, 11:18 AM   #5007  
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Hi; 2 questions, as Ive been applying to F9 for 2+ years consistently with no call.
1-I haven't been able to attend a job fair due to work and family schedules. Ill be passing through DEN and was wondering if dropping a resume off at Tower Rd will help any?
2-I was told by an F9 recruiter 2-3 years ago after 2 consecutive furloughs that "I had too many jobs". It seems they are concerned with people leaving and turning folks down who have "Delta" written all over them. I have no interest in the sort, but for personal reasons am trying to get on at F9. Will having these jobs still on my resume still dissuade F9 from interviewing me?

Thank you in advance.
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They way I understand it. Is that in the past they were concerned about people moving on for greener pastures. And you would get a tbnt if you seemed to be looking to move on.

Now that the training contract is in place. And people are actually having to sign it. If you're honest in the interview about your career aspirations. And also happy and willing to sign a training contract. Along with a positive attitude and If you seem optimistic about the future of Frontier as a career airline. You will get the nod.

Lying in the interview is easy to spot and will get you a tbnt as well.
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Dang; Awesome info, thanks! What about dropping into HQ on my visit through DEN? Frowned upon?
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I'm starting F9 training in August, can I get some suggestions for a place to stay or crashpad to use during training?

Feel free to PM me if you can't post the info on the message boards.
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