motorboatin

You are totally right trowser...wasn't disagreeing with you. I just think dudes coming here should know what they're in for. Personally, joining a place like F9 right now as an impressionable new hire will be a tough go and a challenging place to stay positive.

NoCoairbus

I was told by a guy who used to do interviews that management would say no to guys who they thought would leave for other airlines. "He's got Delta written all over him." Kind of thing.
Basically they aren't interested in hiring pilots who would want more money then we are willing to pay.
Every other airline hiring is wiling to pay you 40-50% more money then we are. There is no reason to accept anything less then what United would pay you. Do not "just be happy working for Frontier." You deserve more then what we are offering. Period!
Our latest update showed our D0 was 54% and our A14 was in the 60s. The operation is a mess, the pilots and fa's are ****ed and our pay is horrible.
These are facts, not opinions. This place is going to suck for a while. The majority of our flights into Denve after 6pm are waiting over 30 minutes for a gate due to lack of rampers. I personally waited 50 minutes Tuesday night.

Trowserchilli

Absolutely ridiculous statement.

How come you haven't quit yet?

sulkair

Trowserchilli,

I have enjoyed your posts of late. You bring an intelligent pragmatism I find refreshing and encouraging. But to level the old tired charge: "Why don't you just quit?" insinuates that a person isn't free to both wish to stay at Frontier, and also air one's grievances. It is possible to have an unfavorable opinion, even a strong one, of the state of the company, and yet still wish to work here and see it through.

TenYearsGone

I tell you something about the Airline Industry. It changes a lot and is very dynamic.

Just 6 months ago, Delta was the place to be. Today, because of new contracts at UPS and UAL; people are jumping ship from Delta and going to UAL or UPS. Some people are not showing to class.

Airlines are always leapfrogging each other. It is better to stay at one place, then move around. Today's UAL, DAL, UPS can be tomorrows Pan AM and Eastern.

Dont buy into announced record profits and high contractual gains. The system is rigged. Corrupt managers, executives and unionists are running the show. Eventually, the smoke dissipates and you are left with nothing.

So go to a place you enjoy. Dont chase the hype or the herd.

TEN

sulkair

Thanks Ten. I'm far from having any of this stuff figured out. I swing wildly from one emotion to next. But something tells me you've really nailed it here - I appreciate hearing it.

Missed Appch

Yes it is. I totally agree. The "why don't you leave" thing gets old quickly. Frankly, it seems like a very childish statement. Like, why don't you take your ball and go home.

Some of us want to stay, fight, and make this the place we know it CAN be.

AncientAliens

It's true F9 won't hire you if they have even the slightest doubt you'll leave for another airline. Those who didn't get selected this week shouldn't stress, you'll get other/better opportunities in this hiring environment.

Right now we have about 1,000 pilots, you'll probably need to reach about sixty percent seniority to upgrade. Best case scenario for those hired today will be an upgrade 3-4 years from now, most likely longer. Before recently speaking with management and the union I was 99% sure a strike or the threat of an imminent strike would be necessary for any movement in negotiations. Now I'm 100% sure that's the case. Maybe we'll get lucky and the NMB will release us in a reasonable amount of time, but I wouldn't count on it. Any potential new hires should prepare to fly under the current contract for the foreseeable future, one where a 321 pilot operating an aircraft with 230 seats is making less than a new hire RJ driver.

NoCoairbus

Would you care to explain why it's a ridiculous statement? It's fact. Management are turning down pilots who they feel won't sign a training contract and or will leave for a place that pays more.

I haven't left because my daughter is in middle school here, and I'm not commuting and/or fighting with my ex, again. I've been here almost 11 years, I'm on reserve in Denver but I'm not flying much, and I have no interest in going to the bottom of a 11,000 long seniority list.
Plus I don't think I'd interview well. ��
Q - Why do you want to come work for Airline XYZ?
A - I really don't. It's just mine currently sucks balls and I hate management. Do I have the job?

Missed Appch

And be prepared to go on strike while they may be on probation.