No principle involved. It's gone on in the industry for decades.

Pay alone won't keep people ANYWHERE. SWA and DAL have people no showing to new hire classes. Due to pay?

The pay issue is a game. Always has been between pilots and management, always will be. The pay at F9 will change, not easily, but it will change.

This is the Frontier hiring thread.
Perhaps there should be a I hate my job at Fontier thread for whatever reason.
In the mean time I'll try and keep THIS thread positive for the folks busting their asses and grinding the grit required to get a job at F9.

 

Or you can inform people of the realities of working at F9. Making this place out to be Shangri-La, utopian, or even bearable at this point would be a horrible disservice to those with choices. The purpose of this hiring thread should be to give candidates a true picture of what's in store. And it will not be pretty for a while. Go elsewhere my friends, best advice I could give to anyone.

 

Who made it out to be a, "Shangri-La, utopian"?
You won't find one thread I've posted stating the pay is satisfactory.
In fact I said, stay prepared to strike.
The pay will change.

Emotions take over a lot of these posts.
The reality is you will be facing contract fights with management for the duration of your airline careers regardless of where you choose to call home. F9, DAL and even the mighty SWA are prepared to strike.

Some of you would cause yourselves a lot less stress by accepting the game for what it is or finding a new career.

 

7/14 hired today

 

Excellent. Good for them.

 

Well said. I completely agree. It amazes me the number of pilots we have with their heads in the sand.

 

You are totally right trowser...wasn't disagreeing with you. I just think dudes coming here should know what they're in for. Personally, joining a place like F9 right now as an impressionable new hire will be a tough go and a challenging place to stay positive.

 

I was told by a guy who used to do interviews that management would say no to guys who they thought would leave for other airlines. "He's got Delta written all over him." Kind of thing.
Basically they aren't interested in hiring pilots who would want more money then we are willing to pay.
Every other airline hiring is wiling to pay you 40-50% more money then we are. There is no reason to accept anything less then what United would pay you. Do not "just be happy working for Frontier." You deserve more then what we are offering. Period!
Our latest update showed our D0 was 54% and our A14 was in the 60s. The operation is a mess, the pilots and fa's are ****ed and our pay is horrible.
These are facts, not opinions. This place is going to suck for a while. The majority of our flights into Denve after 6pm are waiting over 30 minutes for a gate due to lack of rampers. I personally waited 50 minutes Tuesday night.

 

Absolutely ridiculous statement.

How come you haven't quit yet?

 

Trowserchilli,

I have enjoyed your posts of late. You bring an intelligent pragmatism I find refreshing and encouraging. But to level the old tired charge: "Why don't you just quit?" insinuates that a person isn't free to both wish to stay at Frontier, and also air one's grievances. It is possible to have an unfavorable opinion, even a strong one, of the state of the company, and yet still wish to work here and see it through.