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Old 07-19-2016, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NoCoairbus View Post
We waited 50 minutes for our gate in Denver last night, along with several other planes. Our numbers have to be awful.
I don't see us getting to an actual strike. The company has tons of airplanes coming over the next several years and needs to hire hundreds each year just to fill those seats, let alone any attrition. Why would anyone want to come work here when EVERY OTHER AIRLINE HIRING WILL PAY AT LEAST 40% MORE? Especially if we're making no headway in negotiations.
When there's a class of 20 and only 5 show up the company will be forced to do something.
That won't happen. This is not new. The age old adage of people won't come to class is a false narrative. They'll come.

The rest is a game. To their dentriment they're not a get out in front of it management team. You would think they would be after being served a strike previously.

They will only cost themselves more in the long run. Three months ago if they had offered B6 pay I bet the group would have approved and moved on, 160 to 208 is a healthy raise.
Now, it's nothing less than Allegiant, next Spirit and JetBlue will have contracts. Then the stakes will be higher and it will cost this management team more.

Until then it's just a game guys. Let the union fill the right squares so we can strike, be prepared to strike.
Until then do the best you can at your job.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:00 PM
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It won't come down to people not showing up for class; I think there will be a steady flow. I joined last summer because my regional was dying, so I'd be a hypocrite if I then said that people shouldn't come here for lackluster pay.

What I DO think could be a factor is pilot attrition. As all airlines keep hurting for pilots, and frontier continuing to hold out on pay, I think you'll see greater and greater attrition. The training department can only handle X amount of people in the training center/sims. With plans of growth, the need to hire and upgrade, just a small increase in attrition could be catastrophic. Heck, the big 3 could tank F9 by taking just a few more pilots per month. They may need to "incentivize" people staying here. I'll gladly vote with my feet.

But what do I know, I'm just a dumb pilot.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:19 PM
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Any idea how many people interviewed/were offered jobs today?
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:52 PM
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Sounds like the doors are opening. I would love to move to Denver. Do job fairs help a lot for Frontier? Thanks.

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Old 07-19-2016, 07:05 PM
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Well be sold before we ever see a new contract... Get ready to wear blue uniforms...
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer View Post
Well be sold before we ever see a new contract... Get ready to wear blue uniforms...
I think this may be the reason that management is stalling. I won't be sad wearing blues.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli View Post
That won't happen. This is not new. The age old adage of people won't come to class is a false narrative. They'll come.

The rest is a game. To their dentriment they're not a get out in front of it management team. You would think they would be after being served a strike previously.

They will only cost themselves more in the long run. Three months ago if they had offered B6 pay I bet the group would have approved and moved on, 160 to 208 is a healthy raise.
Now, it's nothing less than Allegiant, next Spirit and JetBlue will have contracts. Then the stakes will be higher and it will cost this management team more.

Until then it's just a game guys. Let the union fill the right squares so we can strike, be prepared to strike.
Until then do the best you can at your job.
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Great post. 100% on target.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer View Post
Well be sold before we ever see a new contract... Get ready to wear blue uniforms...
But that isn't what Indigo does. As one Captain put it to me: They don't restructure airlines to sell them to other airlines for a "reasonable price." They restructure airlines to IPO them for an "unreasonable price."

His take made sense to me. JB - or any airline - would want a good deal, and we would cost way too much.

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Old 07-19-2016, 08:21 PM
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B6 couldn't afford Virgin.
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Old 07-19-2016, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by phoenix 23684 View Post
I think this may be the reason that management is stalling. I won't be sad wearing blues.
Management is stalling because that's what management has done at damn near every airline in existence at contract time.
They stalled the Spirit boys right up to a strike and not one that just lasted 24 hr.
Be prepared to strike.
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