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This has nothing to do with negotiations new contract rates. This has to do with company holding their end re LOA67. If you work here you should know.

Everyone here understands that contracts don't occur over night, however we are talking about a different issue.

 

Wow. I wear a hat because of family history with skin cancer, and I'm mostly bald on top. I had no idea I was causing you so much grief. Sorry for doing that to you, bro!

 

Wow, do you even work here? Are you even familiar with LOA 67. If not, shut your yap.

 

Sounds like a plan Rocky I look forward to it. See you out there.

 

When does JetBlue's hiring window open next?

 

Way to demonstrate unity.

Educate yourself about what it means to work in this industry, and what the Frontier pilots did to keep the lights on in order to have this fight, and providing you with the job you have. Try to sound like you have a clue, and less like you're entitled to something bought with other pilots' money.

Did you see what happened to the UAL contract after the tech bubble burst and 9/11 happened? Their contract was rejected in bankruptcy under 1113, their A fund went away, their work rules went to FARs and our 319 pay was higher than their 757/76 pay.

This industry has a cycle and airllnes have a lifespan. We are arguably better off than United was after their bankruptcy 13 years ago, but have a LONG way to go before we get to a decent contract again. And it was decent by 2006 (Frontier having lost money for 6 years running) standards.

Maybe we should have gone out of business a long time ago, but we didn't because of the sacrifices of the pilots who came before you. You think we WANTED to work for less? We went through a bankruptcy we probably shouldn't have survived. Who was hiring in 2008/9?

Next time you see one of those pilots who voted for those concessions just say thank you, and ask how you can help make this a better place instead of throwing rocks from the sidelines - helping management divide us.
https://youtu.be/9FnO3igOkOk

 

Every airline in the history of airlines has sucked at some point... If there were message boards 35 or 40 years ago, there would be delta and southwest pilots saying, "don't come here!! This place sucks!!"... Just to offer some perspective here, half the world, around 4.5 billion people or so, make less than $2 a day... There are maybe 100,000 airline pilots in the us... That puts all of us in a very unique and impressive spectrum... Now you're going to say, "you're what's wrong with the industry... You're one of those *******s that's just happy to be paid to fly a plane." That couldn't be further from the truth... I think it's laughable and pathetic that a group of people could cite "economic conditions" as a reason for not giving the lowest paid pilots in the industry a pay bump, especially when we're one of the most profitable airlines... Management is doing their job and doing it well... They lack integrity and they're selfish but there's nothing I can do... If it gets to the point where I hate my job that much, I'll quit... In the end, I think they're shooting themselves in the foot but time will tell... If we directed the time and effort we put into these message boards toward our ultimate goal, we'd really get something done...

 

The best thing that can happen to any of us that are at Frontier long term if another call doesn't come, is for people to vote with their feet. For every pilot that leaves this place, all the better. The company will continue to think we are content with a substandard contract as long as classes get filled and staffing is fine. Eventually (hopefully) the burden of the training contract albatross and an LOA 67 negotiation that is clearly going to be nasty (not to mention the CBA bargaining negotiations) is going to cause people to stay away. And the realization that many (me included) would have made more at my regional in the first 3 years than I will at frontier will start to factor in. Why would you come here when you can go to Allegiant (easily within our peer group) and make 96/hr second year and 216/hr top end and get the Bus type. The only place that Frontier is good for is those that live in base. 3 in my class have left after close to a year, and I hope more follow. I used to pause about the idea of staying/going if another call came, but I don't think there should be any doubt for anyone anymore.

 

ColdWhiskey, I'm sorry you deleted your post. Many of us agree with what you said. Actually, everyone I know feels that way.

 

$232/hr DOS+5

Passage though is far from certain, it seems 50/50 in the forums.