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Old 09-08-2016, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde View Post
Well that's good, BUT I don't recall seeing the word "retroactive" appearing once in the lengthy (and very much appreciated) "Special Negotiations Update."
Now that you mention it, that's true. I don't even comprehend how they COULDN'T be asking for some retro. Considering LOA 67 and all...... Maybe we'll get that in arbitration. (I almost said that without laughing.)
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:16 AM
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I assume that our NC will be asking for retro pay. There are a lot of details that were left out from that email. It was just basic bullet points.

Spirits pay proposal to the union is a 4 year deal. Top of scale FOs to make 128 at date of sign and rise to 142 by year 4.

Top of scale captains to make 200 and rise to 232 by year 4.

First year FO starts at 40.

Again, those rates are what the company is proposing. I don't know what the union has asked for.
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:20 AM
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We opened up 1 year early. I could be wrong but Retro shouldn't apply until after march 2017. It does apply to LOA 67.
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post
I have an ATP, 2200 hours, current and qualified Part 121 on a 747-400, Former USAF Instructor & 1,000+ PIC, 135 experience, and got the Thanks but no thanks email today from Frontier. Can anyone help me figure out how to get in with these guys?
The problem is they are afraid you'll leave when (not if) a legacy calls. Of course you'd be absolutely foolish not to, so I guess they're making a good business decision?
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Old 09-08-2016, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker View Post
We opened up 1 year early. I could be wrong but Retro shouldn't apply until after march 2017. It does apply to LOA 67.
The company has no intention of having this done by March 2017. So I definitely think we should be thinking retro.
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Old 09-08-2016, 08:48 AM
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Unfortunately I don't see where we have any leverage to force the process along any faster. The company will continue to show up unprepared and without proposals. Does it build our case for them not negotiating in good faith? yeah sure but it doesn't mean we will see a contract soon either. They don't have ANY incentive to give up the cheapest Airbus labor in the world. We took LOA 67 to Arbitration so we will see when we get a ruling on that. SouthWest got a great deal and retro but their contract took 3 years?
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Old 09-08-2016, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post
I have an ATP, 2200 hours, current and qualified Part 121 on a 747-400, Former USAF Instructor & 1,000+ PIC, 135 experience, and got the Thanks but no thanks email today from Frontier. Can anyone help me figure out how to get in with these guys?
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Old 09-08-2016, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post
I have an ATP, 2200 hours, current and qualified Part 121 on a 747-400, Former USAF Instructor & 1,000+ PIC, 135 experience, and got the Thanks but no thanks email today from Frontier. Can anyone help me figure out how to get in with these guys?
Hopefully you have your stuff in at United and Delta. I know tons of military guys here at United that were hired with very similar experience, and Delta is even more accommodating. Good luck to you!
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Old 09-08-2016, 05:27 PM
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I was hoping someone would be willing to pm me and open up some dialog about Frontier. I am applying and meet the mins but may not be very competitive and would like some more info. Thanks to anyone willing to help.
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Old 09-08-2016, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
I assume that our NC will be asking for retro pay. There are a lot of details that were left out from that email. It was just basic bullet points.

Spirits pay proposal to the union is a 4 year deal. Top of scale FOs to make 128 at date of sign and rise to 142 by year 4.

Top of scale captains to make 200 and rise to 232 by year 4.

First year FO starts at 40.

Again, those rates are what the company is proposing. I don't know what the union has asked for.
That was also back in December of 2015. The market has moved upward significantly since then. Even back then we (Spirit) laughed it right back at them
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