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Old 11-14-2015 | 09:22 AM
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Yes, it's possible to have a really big month here and there, but I certainly wouldn't plan your family budget on 130 credit per month. I think a more realistic/sustainable target would be in the 85 to 90 hour range. Many people make a bunch of extra hours during vacation months. Managed correctly, a single week of vacation can net you an additional 25 to 50 hours credit. Of course you'd have to be willing to work on your vacation.

I'm not advocating that you do any of this. I'd much rather see our pay rates improve rather than encouraging someone to work a bunch of overtime to make up for substandard hourly rates. I can tell you from past experience maximum-allowed FAA block time sustained over many years takes its toll. Certainly NOT recommended for a long term plan.

If you live 2-1/2 hours from MCO, you'll effectively be a commuter. Our regular reserve callout time is 2 hours from initial call to the crew room. We have a long call reserve system that allows 10-12 hours for a callout, but you probably won't be able to hold that right off the bat for at least a few months. You'll want to make arrangements for a crashpad for at least a short time.

Excellent, thanks for the quick responses to all the guys that responded. I only planned to "kill myself" during the first year probation pay. After that I'd settle in. I currently clear 90K at a 135 gig but I am anxious to leave 135 behind and find that "last job."
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Old 11-14-2015 | 10:06 AM
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Excellent, thanks for the quick responses to all the guys that responded. I only planned to "kill myself" during the first year probation pay. After that I'd settle in. I currently clear 90K at a 135 gig but I am anxious to leave 135 behind and find that "last job."
You will NEVER know if it is your last job until age 65
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Old 11-14-2015 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
You will NEVER know if it is your last job until age 65
Unless you're a UAL guy who lost your pension (thanks Glenn Tilton!!) and turned 60 in 2006. Then, because of your mortgage, you would not know what your "last job" is until you are about 80.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lear Driver
Excellent, thanks for the quick responses to all the guys that responded. I only planned to "kill myself" during the first year probation pay. After that I'd settle in. I currently clear 90K at a 135 gig but I am anxious to leave 135 behind and find that "last job."
"Killing yourself" during first year pay is not the answer. The company barely values your skills while on the clock, you should take a similar stance toward having to be on the clock. Your time at home is much more valuable that first year unless you need to work extra to pay the bills. The increase in pay after taxes between 70 vs. 100 hours credit will be around a grand if you include per diem.

Wait until your second year to really put your nose to the grindstone. My .02
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Old 11-15-2015 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by skater3260
"Killing yourself" during first year pay is not the answer. The company barely values your skills while on the clock, you should take a similar stance toward having to be on the clock. Your time at home is much more valuable that first year unless you need to work extra to pay the bills. The increase in pay after taxes between 70 vs. 100 hours credit will be around a grand if you include per diem.

Wait until your second year to really put your nose to the grindstone. My .02
I agree. Driving for 2.5 hours to make $37/hr is not the answer. Your goal should be to do the absolute minimum amount of work at Frontier during your first year. Use that time to do anything that your skill set affords that your can do from home to bridge the gap. Leer contract work, flight instruct, hell, even Uber would beat 5 hours of driving to pickup work at $37. All the while, I'd be updating my resume with the legacies to work for a fair wage.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 08:12 AM
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All the while, I'd be updating my resume with the legacies to work for a fair wage.
I guess all the work that frontier puts in to vet the applicants to weed out those who don't want to stay isn't working well.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
You will NEVER know if it is your last job until age 65

Who wants to work till 65? I got it worked down to 56 so far!
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Old 11-15-2015 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by doz4dllrs
I agree. Driving for 2.5 hours to make $37/hr is not the answer. Your goal should be to do the absolute minimum amount of work at Frontier during your first year. Use that time to do anything that your skill set affords that your can do from home to bridge the gap. Leer contract work, flight instruct, hell, even Uber would beat 5 hours of driving to pickup work at $37. All the while, I'd be updating my resume with the legacies to work for a fair wage.
I imagine the company may take a dim view of commercial flying outside of F9....
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Old 11-15-2015 | 12:10 PM
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I guess all the work that frontier puts in to vet the applicants to weed out those who don't want to stay isn't working well.
Money talks. Free market at work.

Loyalty is a two way street, but I doubt a private equity firm can understand that.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by skater3260
Money talks. Free market at work.

Loyalty is a two way street, but I doubt a private equity firm can understand that.
This^^^^^^^^^^^ "Its just business" works both ways.
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