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08-23-2015, 08:35 PM
#3351
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There are a lot of great CA at Frontier. Most are willing to share the logbook and some actually ask if you looked at it. CRM is definitely there, and guys are fun and easy to get along with.
That said, there is a group of "old school" "I am God" type CA's that seem to be prevelant in DEN. Some of these guys show up to the airplane and you'd think they had someone **** in the cheerios that morning and their wife left them right after. They are angry, miserable people to fly with. However, I imagine this group exists at any airline.
That said, there is a group of "old school" "I am God" type CA's that seem to be prevelant in DEN. Some of these guys show up to the airplane and you'd think they had someone **** in the cheerios that morning and their wife left them right after. They are angry, miserable people to fly with. However, I imagine this group exists at any airline.
08-23-2015, 09:15 PM
#3352
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Originally Posted by phoenix 23684
Cloud warrior,
You have just emphasized my point with your reply. My opinion had nothing to do with wanting to taxi the airplane, the questions was about ego's and CRM. I have no ego. UAL may have started CRM, but flying both sides of the equation I can attest that the military has it better, the airlines are still stuck in the old ranking structure.
While flying military contracting, I was very blessed to fly with some amazing former military aviators, we also flew per military rules. The point is that there was very little ego or ranking that went on. We worked together as crew always, there was no such thing as "CA typed / Left seat assigned / bid / Awarded a Left seat line, Pay, & schedule?" Whomever flew sat on left seat and did all the left seat duties and vice versa. Both crews were equally qualified on either station and duty, regardless who was the assigned PIC. PIC sign off was awarded with experience, not a number. a number means absolutely nothing regarding ability. In my opinion makes for a more capable crew.
You have just emphasized my point with your reply. My opinion had nothing to do with wanting to taxi the airplane, the questions was about ego's and CRM. I have no ego. UAL may have started CRM, but flying both sides of the equation I can attest that the military has it better, the airlines are still stuck in the old ranking structure.
While flying military contracting, I was very blessed to fly with some amazing former military aviators, we also flew per military rules. The point is that there was very little ego or ranking that went on. We worked together as crew always, there was no such thing as "CA typed / Left seat assigned / bid / Awarded a Left seat line, Pay, & schedule?" Whomever flew sat on left seat and did all the left seat duties and vice versa. Both crews were equally qualified on either station and duty, regardless who was the assigned PIC. PIC sign off was awarded with experience, not a number. a number means absolutely nothing regarding ability. In my opinion makes for a more capable crew.
I would love to meet you; would probably really surprise you.
So lets get back to what YOU said, about doing Captain flows, Vs First Officer flows, And Duties.
Are you a capt or fo.?
What are you Currently Paid to do?, What are you currently Qualifed to do. What does Your seniority hold?
Welcome to Civil Aviation 101 in the USA. We got ourselves Civilian FARS, NOT Military rules, Here at FRONTIER Airlines.
You seem to really like to talk about "the mission" like Every F9 flight is a COMBAT mission. We don't fly COMBAT if you want that -go back to the Militarty or private contractor gig. We fly Civillian passngers from point A to point B Safetly & effieciently.
You want to fly F9 (then lets FLY. Lets fly per the FOM, and the CBA. EVERY Single pilot that works here (F9) signed on to that. That IS the system, no surprises, no curve balls, pure FOM & CBA).
Have a nice day.
08-24-2015, 04:48 AM
#3353
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Position: A320 Captain
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
There are a lot of great CA at Frontier. Most are willing to share the logbook and some actually ask if you looked at it. CRM is definitely there, and guys are fun and easy to get along with.
That said, there is a group of "old school" "I am God" type CA's that seem to be prevelant in DEN. Some of these guys show up to the airplane and you'd think they had someone **** in the cheerios that morning and their wife left them right after. They are angry, miserable people to fly with. However, I imagine this group exists at any airline.
That said, there is a group of "old school" "I am God" type CA's that seem to be prevelant in DEN. Some of these guys show up to the airplane and you'd think they had someone **** in the cheerios that morning and their wife left them right after. They are angry, miserable people to fly with. However, I imagine this group exists at any airline.
Could not agree with you more! DENpilot gets it.
08-24-2015, 07:44 AM
#3358
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Originally Posted by cloudwarrior
You did Not answer the question SIR. -Go back to Your Post.
I would love to meet you; would probably really surprise you.
So lets get back to what YOU said, about doing Captain flows, Vs First Officer flows, And Duties.
Are you a capt or fo.?
What are you Currently Paid to do?, What are you currently Qualifed to do. What does Your seniority hold?
Welcome to Civil Aviation 101 in the USA. We got ourselves Civilian FARS, NOT Military rules, Here at FRONTIER Airlines.
You seem to really like to talk about "the mission" like Every F9 flight is a COMBAT mission. We don't fly COMBAT if you want that -go back to the Militarty or private contractor gig. We fly Civillian passngers from point A to point B Safetly & effieciently.
You want to fly F9 (then lets FLY. Lets fly per the FOM, and the CBA. EVERY Single pilot that works here (F9) signed on to that. That IS the system, no surprises, no curve balls, pure FOM & CBA).
Have a nice day.
I would love to meet you; would probably really surprise you.
So lets get back to what YOU said, about doing Captain flows, Vs First Officer flows, And Duties.
Are you a capt or fo.?
What are you Currently Paid to do?, What are you currently Qualifed to do. What does Your seniority hold?
Welcome to Civil Aviation 101 in the USA. We got ourselves Civilian FARS, NOT Military rules, Here at FRONTIER Airlines.
You seem to really like to talk about "the mission" like Every F9 flight is a COMBAT mission. We don't fly COMBAT if you want that -go back to the Militarty or private contractor gig. We fly Civillian passngers from point A to point B Safetly & effieciently.
You want to fly F9 (then lets FLY. Lets fly per the FOM, and the CBA. EVERY Single pilot that works here (F9) signed on to that. That IS the system, no surprises, no curve balls, pure FOM & CBA).
Have a nice day.
All phoenix is saying is that there are better researched, modern, and among other more progressive CIVILIAN carriers widely embraced ways of operating aircraft. F9 has been pretty much running the same checklists and same SOPs for 21 years. Change is hard, but it is necessary. I'm sure phoenix is flying by the book, but there is no harm in him suggesting (and that's all he's doing) his ideas derived from a valuable background on how we might do it better. I am surprised folks are having an issue with this since he's only suggesting ways Frontier may improve. Honestly, I'd love to have more people like him in our flight decks. Independent thinking should not be penalized. The usual drones that just fall asleep nearly every leg and haphazardly run checklists without even looking at it and manage to make a stabilized approach maybe once or twice per 4-day trip kind of wear on me.
08-24-2015, 08:26 AM
#3359
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Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 641
Originally Posted by Barley
All phoenix is saying is that there are better researched, modern, and among other more progressive CIVILIAN carriers widely embraced ways of operating aircraft. F9 has been pretty much running the same checklists and same SOPs for 21 years. Change is hard, but it is necessary. I'm sure phoenix is flying by the book, but there is no harm in him suggesting (and that's all he's doing) his ideas derived from a valuable background on how we might do it better. I am surprised folks are having an issue with this since he's only suggesting ways Frontier may improve. Honestly, I'd love to have more people like him in our flight decks. Independent thinking should not be penalized. The usual drones that just fall asleep nearly every leg and haphazardly run checklists without even looking at it and manage to make a stabilized approach maybe once or twice per 4-day trip kind of wear on me.
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