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08-23-2015, 08:25 AM
#3341
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 1,454
Originally Posted by phoenix 23684
I'm going to have to disagree here. Coming to F9 from flying contract with the military, I can attest the biggest captain ego, lies at Frontier, specially the bunch that sat right seat for 1 day back in the 90s. Friendly no doubt, but def left seat mind set, far from how the military does it these days. UAL may have introduced CRM, but I honestly think the mil guys have fewer egos nowdays. Don't believe me, ask to taxi and do the left seat stuff when it's your turn to fly.
08-23-2015, 08:26 AM
#3342
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 1,454
Originally Posted by phoenix 23684
I'm going to have to disagree here. Coming to F9 from flying contract with the military, I can attest the biggest captain ego, lies at Frontier, specially the bunch that sat right seat for 1 day back in the 90s. Friendly no doubt, but def left seat mind set, far from how the military does it these days. UAL may have introduced CRM, but I honestly think the mil guys have fewer egos nowdays. Don't believe me, ask to taxi and do the left seat stuff when it's your turn to fly.
08-23-2015, 08:55 AM
#3343
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 72
Originally Posted by Bolo
Now here is a quote from Carolinaflyer! Let's just say clueless comes to mind! Just giving advice to Hoover. And yes, like Sulkair pointed out I did say "A Monkey could fly the Airbus." Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit!
08-23-2015, 09:16 AM
#3344
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: A319/A320/A321 CA
Posts: 363
Wow, chill out fellas! We have a lot of new pilots on the list. The Captains at F9 are not prudes, they just don't fly with the same FOs very often; in those cases it is especially wise to fly by the book. Stick around for a bit and you'll probably find you can gain trust with this group, and if not you'll be the Captain soon anyway. It's all good...
08-23-2015, 09:56 AM
#3345
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Joined APC: May 2008
Posts: 11
Originally Posted by phoenix 23684
I'm going to have to disagree here. Coming to F9 from flying contract with the military, I can attest the biggest captain ego, lies at Frontier, specially the bunch that sat right seat for 1 day back in the 90s. Friendly no doubt, but def left seat mind set, far from how the military does it these days. UAL may have introduced CRM, but I honestly think the mil guys have fewer egos nowdays. Don't believe me, ask to taxi and do the left seat stuff when it's your turn to fly.
08-23-2015, 11:49 AM
#3346
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by nosis
The fact that you admit to asking captains to violate the SOPs reveals that the CRM/ego problem is you. Whether you don't know the rules or know them and believe they don't apply to you, your request to taxi raises a major red flag regarding your judgment.
08-23-2015, 02:51 PM
#3347
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 641
Originally Posted by carolinaflyer
I see you have a lot of spare time sir....maybe you could help me with my comprehension. 😀 Easy fella!!
I do have a lot of time on my hands especially trying to explain things to DB'S like you! Why dont you send me a PM and tell me who you are not hide behind carolinaflyer. That would be beneficial. I am narrowing you down to CLT commuter. To say that I was insinuating you have to be a NASA pilot was idiotic at best when the previous post I said "a Monkey can fly the Airbus." I would love to school you. PM me. Don't be shy!
08-23-2015, 04:22 PM
#3348
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Airbus F/O
Posts: 333
Originally Posted by cloudwarrior
REALLY.?? (I do agree about those tools with min time as fo's & who are just plain DB; but really - to lump the Entire CA rank in that clueless & lucky group is pathetic).
May I ask if you are CA typed / Left seat assigned / bid / Awarded a Left seat line, Pay, & schedule?
Get over Your Ego.
Just cause every CA out there don't let you taxi out,do Their flows, calls, etc, ect; doesn't mean they got EGO. It means they are Following the FOM, and performing their duties according to company & FAA policy.
Why don't you ask to do that the next time you fly with a Check Airman?
I'm sure they will hook you up.
Welcome to FRONTIER.
May I ask if you are CA typed / Left seat assigned / bid / Awarded a Left seat line, Pay, & schedule?
Get over Your Ego.
Just cause every CA out there don't let you taxi out,do Their flows, calls, etc, ect; doesn't mean they got EGO. It means they are Following the FOM, and performing their duties according to company & FAA policy.
Why don't you ask to do that the next time you fly with a Check Airman?
I'm sure they will hook you up.
Welcome to FRONTIER.
You have just emphasized my point with your reply. My opinion had nothing to do with wanting to taxi the airplane, the questions was about ego's and CRM. I have no ego. UAL may have started CRM, but flying both sides of the equation I can attest that the military has it better, the airlines are still stuck in the old ranking structure.
While flying military contracting, I was very blessed to fly with some amazing former military aviators, we also flew per military rules. The point is that there was very little ego or ranking that went on. We worked together as crew always, there was no such thing as "CA typed / Left seat assigned / bid / Awarded a Left seat line, Pay, & schedule?" Whomever flew sat on left seat and did all the left seat duties and vice versa. Both crews were equally qualified on either station and duty, regardless who was the assigned PIC. PIC sign off was awarded with experience, not a number. a number means absolutely nothing regarding ability. In my opinion makes for a more capable crew.
Last edited by phoenix 23684; 08-23-2015 at 04:43 PM.
08-23-2015, 04:44 PM
#3349
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Airbus F/O
Posts: 333
Originally Posted by terryhflyer
Dude, I have not been a captain for more than two years and I could not do the FO flow to save my life. Let alone figure out the ramp, metering and ground freqs. That's why I don't let you taxi.
Last edited by phoenix 23684; 08-23-2015 at 05:03 PM.
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