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Old 08-22-2015 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
If saying I want to be based in DEN during the interview would hurt then that is good advice. To be honest I am only applying to airlines where I could eventually be based somewhere I want to live for the next 30 yrs. commuting is getting old, no one would disagree with that.
I'm pretty used to folks pumping up their airline on the forums. I have no problem with pilots being prideful in where they work.
Just decide where you want to be, then do the leg work to get there. I'm here because I know some great people here and felt like I would be a good fit. And hey, they hired me, so here I am.
Anyone can get through the training if they put in the hours. Just passed my type ride this morning, so celebrating!! Good luck whatever you choose.
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Old 08-22-2015 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ISurfer88
Thank you to all who keep this thread up to date with good info. I will be starting class 9/3 and I'm extremely excited. Great company with a great future ahead. If you are in this class too send me a PM, I dont live in Denver so I'm looking for a crashpad if I can figure out transportation.
Congrats on getting hired again. You're a really good dude and glad they said yes!
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Old 08-22-2015 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by carolinaflyer
Seriously guys...don't hold your breath for a new base. It's been rumored on these boards for two years and we've passed many of the dates previously speculated for announcements. Healthy focus on what you have now is much more productive than more speculation on what may become. Rumors, rumors, rumors...small minded and useless.
Now here is a quote from Carolinaflyer! Let's just say clueless comes to mind! Just giving advice to Hoover. And yes, like Sulkair pointed out I did say "A Monkey could fly the Airbus." Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit!
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Old 08-22-2015 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I am a bit hesitant to try and explain what our culture is, but what the heck...

Considering that the vast majority of our pilots live in Colorado, I'll say one part of it is the Western/Colorado/mountain culture. That is to say, laid back, friendly and helpful. Perhaps a bit more laid back than people from the busy, crowded North East.

We have a pretty small percentage of ex military pilots here. Lots of our pilots are veterans of regional carriers and corporate gigs. Therefore we have less of the captain is God thing here. I think most of our pilots actually understand what CRM is.

Our pilots also take care of the entire crew. It's not like at United where half the pilots don't even say hi to the flight attendants. Being a smaller company also helps out with the more family feel. Most everyone knows everyone else and it makes working here very pleasant
So I just finished training with Frontier and as one of those former military guys (minority) I don't feel like that is the reason this place has been awesome so far. I like the culture and the atmosphere, the training department made me happy I got hired. As far as CRM the Airlines wouldn't even have it if not for the Military since we developed it initially and the Airlines copied the military model. Sorry but having a crew of 5 in combat with one person getting a divorce and another with money problems and blah blah blah, means you have to know how to bring a crew together. Now off my soapbox, I really like working here so far, but I'm still new. Biggest thing be yourself, and have fun.
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Old 08-22-2015 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by priorwhat
So I just finished training with Frontier and as one of those former military guys (minority) I don't feel like that is the reason this place has been awesome so far. I like the culture and the atmosphere, the training department made me happy I got hired. As far as CRM the Airlines wouldn't even have it if not for the Military since we developed it initially and the Airlines copied the military model. Sorry but having a crew of 5 in combat with one person getting a divorce and another with money problems and blah blah blah, means you have to know how to bring a crew together. Now off my soapbox, I really like working here so far, but I'm still new. Biggest thing be yourself, and have fun.
Well, not to burst your bubble, (and I'm not sure why the Frontier pilot thinks they are a better airline because they have few prior military), but even in the military we were taught that CRM was actually first implemented by UAL back after they crashed in Oregon while running out of gas fixing a gear bulb.
Pretty sure CRM was introduced at UAL back in the early 80's.
Sounds like you are referring to the military's use of human factors boards which hasn't reached airline use yet as far as I've been familiar with.
Hope you enjoy your career at Frontier, and maybe you can be the one to show the other Frontier pilots that it's OK to have prior military in your ranks.
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Old 08-22-2015 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Well, not to burst your bubble, (and I'm not sure why the Frontier pilot thinks they are a better airline because they have few prior military), but even in the military we were taught that CRM was actually first implemented by UAL back after they crashed in Oregon while running out of gas fixing a gear bulb.
Pretty sure CRM was introduced at UAL back in the early 80's.
Sounds like you are referring to the military's use of human factors boards which hasn't reached airline use yet as far as I've been familiar with.
Hope you enjoy your career at Frontier, and maybe you can be the one to show the other Frontier pilots that it's OK to have prior military in your ranks.
Prior service, I like to think, actually helped me get hired (I was not aviation in the military, though). Not sure exactly what you're referring to.
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Old 08-22-2015 | 02:41 PM
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Please don't take my comments as being anti military. They were not.

I was simply trying to explain how our culture is different, which wasn't easy. I guess really what I was saying is that our crews do a great job sticking together and taking care of each other. We have very few captains here who think they are God and the FO is nothing more than required by regs.

I don't have any military service or work experience at United, so I probably shouldn't have mentioned either.

Point is, I really like the culture and pilot group here!
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Old 08-22-2015 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Please don't take my comments as being anti military. They were not.

I was simply trying to explain how our culture is different, which wasn't easy. I guess really what I was saying is that our crews do a great job sticking together and taking care of each other. We have very few captains here who think they are God and the FO is nothing more than required by regs.

I don't have any military service or work experience at United, so I probably shouldn't have mentioned either.

Point is, I really like the culture and pilot group here!
I think everyone got that. I've had nothing but positive feedback about my military time.
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Old 08-22-2015 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I am a bit hesitant to try and explain what our culture is, but what the heck...

Considering that the vast majority of our pilots live in Colorado, I'll say one part of it is the Western/Colorado/mountain culture. That is to say, laid back, friendly and helpful. Perhaps a bit more laid back than people from the busy, crowded North East.

We have a pretty small percentage of ex military pilots here. Lots of our pilots are veterans of regional carriers and corporate gigs. Therefore we have less of the captain is God thing here. I think most of our pilots actually understand what CRM is

Our pilots also take care of the entire crew. It's not like at United where half the pilots don't even say hi to the flight attendants. Being a smaller company also helps out with the more family feel. Most everyone knows everyone else and it makes working here very pleasant
I'm going to have to disagree here. Coming to F9 from flying contract with the military, I can attest the biggest captain ego, lies at Frontier, specially the bunch that sat right seat for 1 day back in the 90s. Friendly no doubt, but def left seat mind set, far from how the military does it these days. UAL may have introduced CRM, but I honestly think the mil guys have fewer egos nowdays. Don't believe me, ask to taxi and do the left seat stuff when it's your turn to fly.
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Old 08-22-2015 | 04:43 PM
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With the supposed doubling of the fleet next few years, has Frontier already hired all the future CAs?
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