§121.436 Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.

(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:
(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in §61.167 of this chapter;
(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.
(b) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as second in command unless the pilot holds an airline transport pilot certificate and an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown. A second-in-command type rating obtained under §61.55 does not satisfy the requirements of this section.
(c) For the purpose of satisfying the flight hour requirement in paragraph (a)(3) of this section, a pilot may credit 500 hours of military flight time obtained as pilot in command of a multiengine turbine-powered, fixed-wing airplane in an operation requiring more than one pilot.
(d) Compliance with the requirements of this section is required by August 1, 2013. However, for those pilots who are employed as second in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the type rating requirement in paragraph (b) of this section is not required until January 1, 2016.
[Doc. No. FAA-2010-0100, 78 FR 42378, July 15, 2013, as amended by Amdt. 121-365A, 78 FR 77574, Dec. 24, 2013]

 

I'd be happy to have larger equipment on property (because it automatically reopens pay negotiations etc.), but think Barley is just having some fun :-)

You'll hear not to believe you're getting a type until it's sitting on the ramp, but ask anyone from Midwest Express if that's even good enough. Don't "believe", or plan your life around, any plans your airline has for future types / growth unless you're actually sitting in it AND being paid for flying that plane.

I heard from an ex-MidEx guy they had DO-328 jets on their ramp, painted in their colors, with pilots being hired / in training for them and had the whole thing go away before one engine turned.

Our 737s were going to go away on a set schedule (deals in place with lessors for return) completing the transition to the Bus in 2003. A bunch of FO's bid the Bus in 2002 based on that information. Some FOs stayed in the 737 either by choice or chance. The plans changed and the last Frontier 737 flew in service April 18, 2005.

That resulted in about a year of 737 Captains junior to Airbus FOs before the Bus FOs could upgrade (choices made based on the best 2002 company projections = about $100K pay loss, but who's counting...). The Bus bid stipulated that you couldn't bid back to the Boeing once awarded the Bus

 

In typical F9 fashion, not even close. When I was hired the question was asked, "Why not just type the new hires?" That is a privilege reserved for CAs. Training event...Fast forward a few years...FAA now requires all FOs to be typed, but the SIC type is good enough. The question was asked, "Why not type the FOs without the SIC only limitation?" Well FOs might start leaving if we type them...Training event. Fast forward a few years. The FAA now requires all FOs to be typed SIC limitation no longer flies. F9 determines this will make 3 training events so instead of typing FOs as they come thru training, we will wait for them to upgrade. Well a bunch haven't upgraded and they have 4.5 months to get everyone done while running classes of 16ish new hires a month plus upgrades plus PC/PTs. So basically a bunch of folks are going to get pain to sit at home and wait for their type. Of course the type has a VMC circle only...so we will be adding training event number 4 in a couple of years when the FAA decides they no longer like that limitation.

 

So if I follow you correctly no type ride in inital training for new hires?

 

everyone who is hired today will be typed...they are referring to older f9 FOs when typing everyone was not required.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Lack of 'forward thinking' leadership is pervasive in every area of our culture and will eventually sink us all.

 

568 seats.

 

Just applied and planning on attending the Denver career fair in September. I've spent the last 19 years as a part 91 Aviation Department Manager/Chief Pilot. Things are not looking good at my employer. All flying has been two pilot crew. No 121 and a little 135 time. Frontier looks like a perfect fit for me. Family in Denver, and Orlando. I live in the Midwest so ORD would also work. Took me a week to read this entire thread! Thanks for all the great insight. This sounds like a group I would like to work with. Wish me luck.

9535 TT
4600 TPIC
ATP
Turbojet FE

 

Good luck! Please report back on your progress. Good on ya for doing your due dilligence!