NWSteeringArmer

First week I was right in the middle of ORD... Second week I was in the top 25 in ORD I think

NWSteeringArmer

They definitely want Ord to get bigger... They keep announcing new routes... The problem is, there's zero gate space and ohare is a disaster as it is

AncientAliens

If you're a regional LCA with 12,000 TT I'd stay put. It's going to take you years to recoup potential earnings with our pay rates. The quick upgrades management promises at job fairs aren't a reality (there hasn't been an upgrade class for six months). Unless you have something disqualifying in your background it's only a matter of time before someone with your experience gets a call from the legacies. Look at the retirement numbers. F9 might talk a big game regarding growth but in relation to the big 3 we have a very young pilot group. If you take a quick glance at our seniority list it shows about 10-20 retirements a YEAR! The big 3 in the next 10 years are going to start averaging close to 1,000 not even counting the early outs. You will move on to bigger and better things eventually, it's not worth taking the financial hit in the short term.

FlynDive

True. I will NEVER understand how they (airport/operators/etc.) try to get more utilization out of over-utilized facility... 😏

FlynDive

Thanks Acient... good insight. Nothing disqualifying. No failures, skeletons, etc.
The "quick" upgrade was/is one of the big "pro" factors... especially re ORD. Quicker recovery of wage/benefits.
A "quick" upgrade in a domicile relatively close to home makes a difference in QOL factor.

NWSteeringArmer

If you got on property today, you'd probably upgrade in 3.5 years... New contact should be rolling in by that time... I bet a 4 year captain would be around $160-170/hr especially with everyone getting contracts in front of us... This whole industry is a gamble... Frontier might be a premier job in 5 years... I laughed as I typed that out but stranger things have happened... I keep saying this but every airline in the history of airlines has sucked bad at some point

FlynDive

True... all/every airline has/will suck(ed) .... going for the long-term game plan. Approx 20 years to go ...
Maybe rolling dice & getting in now might pay off later...?!?!??????

NWSteeringArmer

30 years ago if you had a choice between eastern and delta and you chose delta, you were an idiot... Same with pan am and twa... Those airlines were the bees knees... Best you can hope for is to get a seniority number early (1000 pilots at frontier with a projected 2200 or so) and hope they stay in business (rumor I heard is that by the end of this year or next year, I can't remember, that frontier will have the highest operating margin in airline history)... Ask a pilot how his/her career went and they won't be able to tell you til the day they retire

G550Guy

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner...

I was asked to interview at F9 this month, but after reading this thread and finding out they don't even pay for a hotel in training... I think I am going to pass. Class date with NK in Oct. I do wish all the F9 pilots the best.

Hou757

How many planes does Frontier have on order? What's the projected delivery date?