Frontier Hiring.
08-02-2016 | 07:48 PM
#5061
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If you're a regional LCA with 12,000 TT I'd stay put. It's going to take you years to recoup potential earnings with our pay rates. The quick upgrades management promises at job fairs aren't a reality (there hasn't been an upgrade class for six months). Unless you have something disqualifying in your background it's only a matter of time before someone with your experience gets a call from the legacies. Look at the retirement numbers. F9 might talk a big game regarding growth but in relation to the big 3 we have a very young pilot group. If you take a quick glance at our seniority list it shows about 10-20 retirements a YEAR! The big 3 in the next 10 years are going to start averaging close to 1,000 not even counting the early outs. You will move on to bigger and better things eventually, it's not worth taking the financial hit in the short term.
The "quick" upgrade was/is one of the big "pro" factors... especially re ORD. Quicker recovery of wage/benefits.
A "quick" upgrade in a domicile relatively close to home makes a difference in QOL factor.
08-02-2016 | 08:55 PM
#5062
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From: CRJ-200 CA
Thanks Acient... good insight. Nothing disqualifying. No failures, skeletons, etc.
The "quick" upgrade was/is one of the big "pro" factors... especially re ORD. Quicker recovery of wage/benefits.
A "quick" upgrade in a domicile relatively close to home makes a difference in QOL factor.
The "quick" upgrade was/is one of the big "pro" factors... especially re ORD. Quicker recovery of wage/benefits.
A "quick" upgrade in a domicile relatively close to home makes a difference in QOL factor.
08-02-2016 | 09:26 PM
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If you got on property today, you'd probably upgrade in 3.5 years... New contact should be rolling in by that time... I bet a 4 year captain would be around $160-170/hr especially with everyone getting contracts in front of us... This whole industry is a gamble... Frontier might be a premier job in 5 years... I laughed as I typed that out but stranger things have happened... I keep saying this but every airline in the history of airlines has sucked bad at some point
Maybe rolling dice & getting in now might pay off later...?!?!??????
08-02-2016 | 10:16 PM
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30 years ago if you had a choice between eastern and delta and you chose delta, you were an idiot... Same with pan am and twa... Those airlines were the bees knees... Best you can hope for is to get a seniority number early (1000 pilots at frontier with a projected 2200 or so) and hope they stay in business (rumor I heard is that by the end of this year or next year, I can't remember, that frontier will have the highest operating margin in airline history)... Ask a pilot how his/her career went and they won't be able to tell you til the day they retire
08-03-2016 | 05:43 AM
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From: MD-11 FO
I was asked to interview at F9 this month, but after reading this thread and finding out they don't even pay for a hotel in training... I think I am going to pass. Class date with NK in Oct. I do wish all the F9 pilots the best.
08-03-2016 | 07:58 AM
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There are 80 neos on order and a handful of 321 ceos coming. We are currently operating 54 planes I believe. The first neo comes in September and the order is over 5 years.
In regards to bases, anyone hired now would most likely wait a long time for Denver as a captain, meaning 10 plus years and Chicago could be quite a while. There are 100 crews in ORD and I can't imagine the company wanting, or being able to fit, more then 150 crews there.
At some point we've got to open a west base, and that will go very senior. Then we could easily open a NE base like PHL. Which would go very, very junior. Cause Philly sucks. 😄
In regards to bases, anyone hired now would most likely wait a long time for Denver as a captain, meaning 10 plus years and Chicago could be quite a while. There are 100 crews in ORD and I can't imagine the company wanting, or being able to fit, more then 150 crews there.
At some point we've got to open a west base, and that will go very senior. Then we could easily open a NE base like PHL. Which would go very, very junior. Cause Philly sucks. 😄
08-03-2016 | 08:16 AM
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I would not advise planning a future based on aircraft orders. Much more likely to see a merger in the next five years than 80 NEOs.
Most of us have been in this industry a while and have seen orders planned and scrapped repeatedly at several carriers.
Most of us have been in this industry a while and have seen orders planned and scrapped repeatedly at several carriers.
08-03-2016 | 10:00 AM
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30 years ago if you had a choice between eastern and delta and you chose delta, you were an idiot... Same with pan am and twa... Those airlines were the bees knees... Best you can hope for is to get a seniority number early (1000 pilots at frontier with a projected 2200 or so) and hope they stay in business (rumor I heard is that by the end of this year or next year, I can't remember, that frontier will have the highest operating margin in airline history)... Ask a pilot how his/her career went and they won't be able to tell you til the day they retire
08-03-2016 | 10:06 AM
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