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Old 08-19-2016, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver View Post
The 2007 first year rates were still above industry average after the cut.
Well there it is! Buried deep in a list of excuses. That's definitely a way of saying "well everybody else was doing it!"

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This contract is so outdated that trying to rationalize the changes to the first "whenever possible" 1999-2000 POS contract.
Oh bonus! And there is the short-sighted ideology. Thanks for backing me up, F9Driver!

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Old 08-19-2016, 06:39 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the training footprint is like?
Likely will be 7 weeks from day 1 to passing your checkride. In my class everyone got about 6 days off after week 4 (between ground and FTD) and 6 or 7 off after FTD before going into the sim. You'll get 5 FTD sessions, and 9 full sim sessions, plus a checkride, and then a LOFT, so 11 sims total. Definitely enough time to get pretty comfortable with things.

After finishing in the school house, I had 15 days off before starting IOE.

I enjoyed my time in training, as much as an initial can be at least. The instructors and check airmen (both sim and IOE) were truly fantastic people, and I think that most of my classmates have said the same.

Also, they gave us our badges and had us in CASS by about day 2 or 3. I think about half of my class were commuters, and nearly all of them went home on the weekends.
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Old 08-19-2016, 07:52 PM
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The Helium Control Act of 1927
Now that's funny!
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Old 08-19-2016, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde View Post
Well there it is! Buried deep in a list of excuses. That's definitely a way of saying "well everybody else was doing it!"



Oh bonus! And there is the short-sighted ideology. Thanks for backing me up, F9Driver!

Potshots from freeriders in the cheap seats, based upon incomplete information, via hindsight are always so helpful. Thank you.
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Old 08-20-2016, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by turbojet28 View Post
Likely will be 7 weeks from day 1 to passing your checkride. In my class everyone got about 6 days off after week 4 (between ground and FTD) and 6 or 7 off after FTD before going into the sim. You'll get 5 FTD sessions, and 9 full sim sessions, plus a checkride, and then a LOFT, so 11 sims total. Definitely enough time to get pretty comfortable with things.

After finishing in the school house, I had 15 days off before starting IOE.

I enjoyed my time in training, as much as an initial can be at least. The instructors and check airmen (both sim and IOE) were truly fantastic people, and I think that most of my classmates have said the same.

Also, they gave us our badges and had us in CASS by about day 2 or 3. I think about half of my class were commuters, and nearly all of them went home on the weekends.
That's all great info. Thanks. Are new hires still required to provide their own hotel? If so, what are my options? Do they provide a list and discounts?
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Old 08-20-2016, 03:52 AM
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That's all great info. Thanks. Are new hires still required to provide their own hotel? If so, what are my options? Do they provide a list and discounts?
I was in the May class. We had to get our hotel. Several of us stayed at Staybridge. You get the "Frontier" rate which is discounted. A month or so ahead, I made all of my reservations from day one till the end of training with plans to go home on the weekends. As I understand it, they run an occupancy rate of about 95% so you may not get a room at the last minute. You can find a hotel that's a little less expensive - Days Inn. However, since Staybridge provides evening meals with an open bar 3 nights per week, it may be worth the extra $15/night. If you Google hotels on Tower Road you'll see that there are lots of choices but if you're looking to save a few bucks you'll probably come back to these 2.

We had weekends off throughout ground school with a block of 3 days for Memorial Day. I think we had 3 days off between ground and FTD's. Seems like we had 1 day off between FTD's & Sims. I had a Saturday FTD then Sims on Monday. Your schedule may be different. Worth noting, Staybridge doesn't generally provide transportation to and from the Sim Center (SSS) and neither does F9. Uber is a good option.
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Old 08-20-2016, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde View Post
Well there it is! Buried deep in a list of excuses. That's definitely a way of saying "well everybody else was doing it!"
Oh bonus! And there is the short-sighted ideology. Thanks for backing me up, F9Driver!
They did what they thought was the right thing. Now we're all going to do what we hope is the right thing. That is, we will if we can all get united behind the NC and take this all the way, instead of bickering amongst ourselves and passing out blame.
Cliché or not, we're all on the same team. Us against this capital investment firm that violates our contract every day.
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Old 08-20-2016, 05:12 AM
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That's all great info. Thanks. Are new hires still required to provide their own hotel? If so, what are my options? Do they provide a list and discounts?
I'm starting class next month and I ended up just going with a crash pad for $250/mo. Not ideal, but if you are looking to keep some of your own money throughout training, it's a sacrifice you'll have to make.
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Old 08-20-2016, 05:20 AM
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I stayed at a crashpad for $250/month. A couple guys from my class stayed there as well. You will need transportation, though, because nothing out there is really within walking distance of anything else it seems.

If you can't take your vehicle or won't be carpooling, I would recommend the Staybridge or the Days Inn on Tower for ground school. Sims are in a different location a few miles down the road, so I'm not sure what the hotel shuttle situation is.
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Old 08-20-2016, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver View Post
Potshots from freeriders in the cheap seats, based upon incomplete information, via hindsight are always so helpful. Thank you.
I wasn't free riding in 2007, because I wasn't here. I got the full pleasure of the first year pay you gave away (for nothing), and "hindsight" is a choice word when almost every new hire coming onboard today enjoys a sweet paycut! So now is a good time to talk about whether we're going to stop effing over the new guys in our next contract. I'm tired of flying with food stamp FOs, it's a shame and they deserve better.

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