What's the most junior base right now?

 

At the end of the day someone has to ensure our customers keep coming back after the ****ty service you provided them while crying about your pay and taking it out on them.
Surprised you left out, "while wearing your hat". No worries though, I'll dust it off just for you.
Look for me I'll be the guy in the hat taking care of our customers while you **** and moan.

 

If we cancel a single flight, it costs the company tens of thousands of dollars... We have almost 300 daily departures... Say we lose $5mil a day on the low end... You think they're coming back from losing $35mil in a week?? On the low end...
Factor in the customer base lost and all the fees they have to pay, whether or not the airplane even flies, it's gonna get ugly quick... Indigo is completely aware of the big bucks they lost when spirit went on strike... A strike ain't happening as much as I'd love to see it... It'll come down to the last second

 

I'm not sure where you guys stay but a "layover hotel" should be the type of hotel you would stay in on a company business trip. That to me means a Hilton, Hyatt regency, Marriott, double tree, intercontinental, and maybe a Hilton garden, or a Hampton inn in the smaller markets if the higher level chains aren't available. Every airline has a couple less than desirable hotels in the system that we want to change but it shouldn't be the majority. You are a professional on a business trip. The airport sleep inn is not acceptable IMO.

 

We don't stay at sleep inns. We stay at what you just mentioned, along with crews from the airlines I mentioned above.
You left out Westins,we also stay at Westins.

 

So then what are people complain about?

 

I also don't think I've seen an F9 crew at any Spirit hotel. Unless you're talking about our FAs. You stay where our FAs stay?

 

What money involved?? Let me spell it out.

1) quick strike - the cost per day for an airline shut down. Yes, I agree Indigo has plenty of cash on hand for a 6 day strike. Actually dollar amount per day to shut us down? Go talk with Biffle. He'd tell you a good estimate.

2) long strike - loads of money lost. All the money Indigo has made off his initial investment would be lost. Why would Indigo spend that kind of money to keep Frontier pilots from a pay raise and disrupt his sale/IPO? Stupid, and Franke ain't stupid. This scenario is by far the least likely. I'd give it zero chance.

2) close the doors - Indigo will lose out on a sale or IPO. As I mentioned previously we are taking BILLIONs of dollars involved. Franke is a very smart guy, but even he is human and could go the nuclear option simply to please his ego and prove a point for taking him to a strike. He's made a nice return on his investment as it stands today, so he could just walk away. I give this a very slim chance because of all the other stakeholders involved. Airbus, GECAS, etc. will put huge pressure on Franke not to go nuclear. But a smart pilot will have 3 months supply of cash on hand to transition to another airline, wherever that might be.

I feel like I'm repeating myself...

 

I'm sure you're quite proud of yourself for "going the extra mile" but when you actually get off probation and have spent a few years here, maybe you'll feel differently. Regardless, I'm glad you're enjoying yourself so much and believe our hotels to be acceptable. I'll recommend you spend some time reading and understanding your CBA. Get eff'd by scheduling a couple times, be pressured to extend numerous hours before the extension is needed, or fall victim to one of their other blatant violations of the contract, and I'm guessing if we were to honestly discuss this again in one year, your sentiments may have changed. It's likely to happen, just give it time.
To each his own....

 

1). September 2016 brought a reduction of 9 lines to ORD and that made the most junior lineholder an 8/2015 hire.

2). F9 is proud to have arguably the highest aircraft utilization rates in the industry. That means there's lots of redeyes. Of course, the more senior you are means you can avoid them. On reserve you can expect to fly some.

3). Most overnights are at hotel airports. Generally speaking, pilots and flight attendants will not layover for the same duration. Frontier has a much higher utilization rate for the FA's so often they will continue flying while the front end crew gets their 117. Every other carrier I've worked for has had better hotel selections than Frontier.

I've been at Frontier less than a year and these are just my opinions. Everybody has a different experience and expectations. I like it here, but as you can see on this forum we are hoping to make a lot of improvements in the next round of negotiating.