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Old 08-23-2016, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli View Post
No not proud of myself, I take pride in what I do. Big difference.
I don't need to, "get off probation" or spend a few years here.
I won't feel differently in a year.
All the BS you just mentioned above happens at every airline. You take the good with the bad, do the best you can and press on.
My sentiments won't change. Work for a few carriers with no contract then you get back to me.
We're starting a long drawn out process and fight for a new contract. Nothing more nothing less. Expect push back from this management team. The contract and everything that goes with it will come.

In the meantime I'll do my best for my pax on every flight I'm on, so when the contract BS is over they still want to fly on Frontier.
That got nothing to do with helping the company out.
Look pal, I understand what you're saying, but you are off your rocker if you think what we are dealing with here goes on at every other airline. Disregard for a contract, private equity greedily swallowing money, management that is not bargaining in good faith, and now conveniently turning a blind eye to the promises that were inked to the pilots...because of fabricated poor business conditions. The passengers you speak of aren't here because of any sort of customer service. Generally speaking, these are not the type of savvy passengers that devote loyalty to a particular airline. They are here because the seats are cheap. Period. End of story. The management doesn't even care to provide a reasonable level of customer service. Have you ever seen them deal with a family and a lost unaccompanied minor??? I have, twice, and they act as though they couldn't give a damn. They get their money and then they forget about the passenger. That's not customer service. And if you believe that you're gonna make a difference, good for you. But what you may actually be doing is undermining what the pilots are trying to accomplish. To stand unified and get a contract they deserve. This is my 3rd airline and my 1st didn't have a contract. So I've been there. You're paid to fly an airplane. You are underpaid to do so. You should feel foolish sitting in the right seat of an aircraft flying 230 passengers and earning less than $40/hour to do so. I applaud your enthusiasm but pity your lack of ability to understand the reality of what we are dealing with. Mic dropped....
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Old 08-23-2016, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli View Post
No not proud of myself, I take pride in what I do. Big difference.
I don't need to, "get off probation" or spend a few years here.
I won't feel differently in a year.
All the BS you just mentioned above happens at every airline. You take the good with the bad, do the best you can and press on.
My sentiments won't change. Work for a few carriers with no contract then you get back to me.
We're starting a long drawn out process and fight for a new contract. Nothing more nothing less. Expect push back from this management team. The contract and everything that goes with it will come.

In the meantime I'll do my best for my pax on every flight I'm on, so when the contract BS is over they still want to fly on Frontier.
That got nothing to do with helping the company out.
LOL...I see your HR has picked the cream of the crop. I heard your flight ops asked you to bend over too...BOHICA!
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Old 08-23-2016, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kb8018 View Post
Looks like an upgrade class finally. 16 new Captains start class in October.
KB - Where did you see the upgrade bid? I synced comply but didn't see that.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:38 AM
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Look in flica. About two thirds down. Usually takes a few days to show up in comply.

Back to the bickering. .....
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Old 08-24-2016, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dblbubble rider View Post
Hello guys/gals!
I am interested in working for Frontier.What do you think is the best way to land an interview invitation?
Please don't start shooting at me because I decided that. I am not new to the business and have done my math,but I also live in MCO with two little kids!Besides all places have pros and cons..
Any info is greatly appreciated!
All fly safe!
For better or for worse, both Frontier and Spirit have decided to use the 'job fair' as the first step in the interview process. No hard facts to support this, but I would guess at least 90% of Frontier new-hires come from either a job fair or a silver bullet. A silver bullet is an internal recommendation from a Frontier pilot. The major job fairs you can find them at is aerocrewsolutions, fapa.aero, Women in Aviation, OBAP, and NGPA. I think they do Osh Kosh as well, but it's a bit late for that. Check with each website for the when and where. Good luck.
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Old 08-24-2016, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SpankysLadder View Post
The most Junior Relief Line holder for Sept is a Jan 2016 hire. You can significantly improve your line through open time swaps.
Good point SpankysLadder.
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by EMBskillz View Post
Spanky: what were your qual/stats? I think i may have an imminent interview, jeah.
Well SPANKY, the guy asked you a question. What are your qual/stats?

Nice screen name BTW. Jeese.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by motorboatin View Post
Look pal, I understand what you're saying, but you are off your rocker if you think what we are dealing with here goes on at every other airline. Disregard for a contract, private equity greedily swallowing money, management that is not bargaining in good faith, and now conveniently turning a blind eye to the promises that were inked to the pilots...because of fabricated poor business conditions. The passengers you speak of aren't here because of any sort of customer service. Generally speaking, these are not the type of savvy passengers that devote loyalty to a particular airline. They are here because the seats are cheap. Period. End of story. The management doesn't even care to provide a reasonable level of customer service. Have you ever seen them deal with a family and a lost unaccompanied minor??? I have, twice, and they act as though they couldn't give a damn. They get their money and then they forget about the passenger. That's not customer service. And if you believe that you're gonna make a difference, good for you. But what you may actually be doing is undermining what the pilots are trying to accomplish. To stand unified and get a contract they deserve. This is my 3rd airline and my 1st didn't have a contract. So I've been there. You're paid to fly an airplane. You are underpaid to do so. You should feel foolish sitting in the right seat of an aircraft flying 230 passengers and earning less than $40/hour to do so. I applaud your enthusiasm but pity your lack of ability to understand the reality of what we are dealing with. Mic dropped....

This. Well said Motorboatin.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by motorboatin View Post
Look pal, I understand what you're saying, but you are off your rocker if you think what we are dealing with here goes on at every other airline. Disregard for a contract, private equity greedily swallowing money, management that is not bargaining in good faith, and now conveniently turning a blind eye to the promises that were inked to the pilots...because of fabricated poor business conditions. The passengers you speak of aren't here because of any sort of customer service. Generally speaking, these are not the type of savvy passengers that devote loyalty to a particular airline. They are here because the seats are cheap. Period. End of story. The management doesn't even care to provide a reasonable level of customer service. Have you ever seen them deal with a family and a lost unaccompanied minor??? I have, twice, and they act as though they couldn't give a damn. They get their money and then they forget about the passenger. That's not customer service. And if you believe that you're gonna make a difference, good for you. But what you may actually be doing is undermining what the pilots are trying to accomplish. To stand unified and get a contract they deserve. This is my 3rd airline and my 1st didn't have a contract. So I've been there. You're paid to fly an airplane. You are underpaid to do so. You should feel foolish sitting in the right seat of an aircraft flying 230 passengers and earning less than $40/hour to do so. I applaud your enthusiasm but pity your lack of ability to understand the reality of what we are dealing with. Mic dropped....
Couldn't have said it better myself!! 👍🏻
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruise View Post
LOL...I see your HR has picked the cream of the crop. I heard your flight ops asked you to bend over too...BOHICA!
Really? Personal insults. Pound sand. You know nothing of my aviation experience.
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