Originally Posted by motorboatin

Look pal, I understand what you're saying, but you are off your rocker if you think what we are dealing with here goes on at every other airline. Maybe not every carrier but a good portion OVER THE YEARSDisregard for a contract, private equity greedily swallowing money, management that is not bargaining in good faith, and now conveniently turning a blind eye to the promises that were inked to the pilots...because of fabricated poor business conditions. Already seen it beforeThe passengers you speak of aren't here because of any sort of customer service. Generally speaking, these are not the type of savvy passengers that devote loyalty to a particular airline. They are here because the seats are cheap. Period. End of story. Got it. I get that and already know that.The management doesn't even care to provide a reasonable level of customer service. Have you ever seen them deal with a family and a lost unaccompanied minor??? I have, twice, and they act as though they couldn't give a damn. They get their money and then they forget about the passenger. That's not customer service. And if you believe that you're gonna make a difference, good for you. But what you may actually be doing is undermining what the pilots are trying to accomplish. Giving good day to day customer service to your pax has nothing to do with undermining the pilot group. Are we under some sort of job action?To stand unified and get a contract they deserve. This is my 3rd airline and my 1st didn't have a contract. So I've been there. This is my 5th, 3rd round of negotiations, including two with no contract.You're paid to fly an airplane. You are underpaid to do so. That'll change, we are in contract negotiations now. You should feel foolish sitting in the right seat of an aircraft flying 230 passengers and earning less than $40/hour to do so. I applaud your enthusiasm but pity your lack of ability to understand the reality of what we are dealing with. Likewise.Mic dropped....

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

We'll just agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by DenverPilot8

Unfortunately being content breeds complacency. There is nothing wrong with enjoying your job. I've enjoyed working at Frontier no doubt. But at the same time I'm not under any delusions about the realities we face. You think that just because we are in negotiations that we should just be content maintaining satus quo? Would you still be happily delivering "customer service" if this contract takes say 5 years?

Originally Posted by OpenClimb

I think Mr. Trowserchili is a management or Ford & Harrison plant. I read through his 50 +/- posts and the vast majority are pro management and antagonistic towards pilots.

With both Spirit and Frontier in Section 6 negotiations and given Allegiant's recent success in vastly improved hourly rates, it would seem that our ULCC management teams are using all available means to shore up the time honored tradition of convincing us low tier pilots that we should just be happy to have a job and that we're not sleeping under a bridge in a cardboard box on overnights.

Carry on, Mr. Chili, but we all know that your posts are scripted and part of a concerted effort to maintain the profit margins for a bunch of robber-barons.

Originally Posted by motorboatin

Look pal, I understand what you're saying, but you are off your rocker if you think what we are dealing with here goes on at every other airline. Disregard for a contract, private equity greedily swallowing money, management that is not bargaining in good faith, and now conveniently turning a blind eye to the promises that were inked to the pilots...because of fabricated poor business conditions. The passengers you speak of aren't here because of any sort of customer service. Generally speaking, these are not the type of savvy passengers that devote loyalty to a particular airline. They are here because the seats are cheap. Period. End of story. The management doesn't even care to provide a reasonable level of customer service. Have you ever seen them deal with a family and a lost unaccompanied minor??? I have, twice, and they act as though they couldn't give a damn. They get their money and then they forget about the passenger. That's not customer service. And if you believe that you're gonna make a difference, good for you. But what you may actually be doing is undermining what the pilots are trying to accomplish. To stand unified and get a contract they deserve. This is my 3rd airline and my 1st didn't have a contract. So I've been there. You're paid to fly an airplane. You are underpaid to do so. You should feel foolish sitting in the right seat of an aircraft flying 230 passengers and earning less than $40/hour to do so. I applaud your enthusiasm but pity your lack of ability to understand the reality of what we are dealing with. Mic dropped....

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

Really? Personal insults. Pound sand. You know nothing of my aviation experience.

Originally Posted by F9 Driver

You'll get some perspective on this matter if you listen to the podcast the MEC put out in the last week or so.

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Originally Posted by Cruise

management stooge!