VP OF Flight Ops told a ground school we are "3rd rate" pilots at F9.

 

It doesn't get any clear. If you don't have your app at the big 3 you are selling yourself short. There is no fast upgrades here and even if they were you would make more money at United year 3 than any seat at F9, plus a better pension and you can hold Denver sooner than you will ever dream in the left seat at F9.

When I came to F9 I had high hopes, but the reality is that management is implementing regional tactics, in short we are racing to the bottom rather than the top.

I'm willing to bet that management drags LOA67 as long as possible or will simply ignore in lieu of contract negotiations. The new contract will be in place no earlier than 4 years at best, regardless of what we try as a pilot group. The regionals have proven that you can have 8 years worth of talk with no progress. You see management not really negotiating at the moment.

The only hope would be to be sold to a major carrier, which I believe it's extremely unlikely. A merger with Spirt will yield same results as current. If you as a pilot at F9 are happy to get Spirit current wages, then you are selling yourself short.

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would anyone stay here unless super senior?? Frontier could be an awesome career airline, but it just isn't and I do see it becoming that. Not a pessimist, but a realist.

 

Anyone who believed that Indigo was going to play fair and negotiate in good faith for our next contract needs a reality check. Every action F9 has taken over the last two years is evidence of their lack of respect for our labor group and now the RLA process. The LOA 67 stalling is also frustrating but not surprising. Hopefully if the company refuses to submit a proposal this week we can get the arbitration ball rolling. Don't take the 3rd rate pilot comment personally, Nides would stand in a room full of Chuck Yaegers and say the same thing. For Indigo it's just the way they do business.

I'd say 80% of our pilots under 40 are ready to leave for other airlines if the phone rings. If like myself you are pursuing other options your opportunity will come. In the meantime don't stress and enjoy the schedule flexibility and Airbus legroom.

 

A lazy question here. I've looked into it a little, but have gotten some conflicting data. Are you saying Denver at UAL is easily attainable as an FO?

Also, historically speaking, if legacy furloughs ever happen again, they could go deep, and a guy could find himself re-applying back here. Course times have changed I know. Curious to get you guys' thoughts on that.

 

I think all you guys should leave. Why be unhappy. Go go go.

 

Typical koolaid drinking brand new hire

 

A Friend at United told me that Denver could be attainable in two years, granted probably sitting reserve. The legacies do cut deep when they cut no doubt. That's the gamble right?

I'm not unhappy at Frontier, I'm frustrated with the compensation. In the end I have to take care of my family and plan for tomorrow. Frontier has great people to work with.

 

Denver has been had by United guys at under 1.5 years just recently.

Could be longer or shorter for new hires now. Plenty of guys want to get back to Denver, but there is also going to be a lot of new instructor jobs with the consolidation of the two training centers (IaH and DEN) to DEN only.
65 new 737-700 starting next year and a network plan to reduce RJ flying, put a good focus on Denver which means more spots.

Not to mention super senior DEN FOs that can hold captain and several have been doing so, plus lots of new widebodys coming at a fast pace.

So overall hard to give an exact as you never know what people will bid, but under 2 years I'd say is definitely looking realistic.

and you can make a lot more money as well.

 

A very sensible position; how could anyone argue with it?

Thanks for the intel First & Phoenix.

 

No koolaid. It's called reality. If your that unhappy find something else to do.
I could say the same for your posts. Typical inexperienced guy that's never been through contract negotiations.