Originally Posted by F9 Driver

Given the mood of the arbitrators we've recently had the pleasure of using, I'd say - no retro. (side rant: if ANYBODY can provide me an example of a pilot group getting true retro pay after negotiations, not a "signing bonus", but got paid retroactive to the date the CBA became amendable at their new rate, I'd really like to know about it. This isn't a joke - I'm interested, and can't find a single instance of actual retro pay.)

The whole reason to have LOA 67 was to have a separate process that would reward the pilots for concessions if the bosses were raking in the cash prior to Section 6 negotiations coming to an end, leaving F9 pilots as the lowest paid pilots in the industry. Since the processes happen to be running concurrently, the company WILL likely argue that they should be merged. Again, the NMB (because I'm betting this will be a multi year mediated process that ends with either a strike or some new FUBARed management end run), will likely consider it. If nothing else, it will (if we get anything from LOA 67) change our starting point in Section 6 pay negotiations - which was the point of the LOA and a good thing.

I'm probably staying for the whole show, but today I can't see this place as anything but a stop on your way to something better for anyone under 55 in the bottom 60-70% of the list.

The economy could go T.U. in November, and airlines hire right up to the day they furlough, but with the retirements at the legacies - I'd be off like a prom dress at the first opportunity to get out of here if I were in a different personal position. (I'm actually crunching my own QOL metrics to see if moving on makes sense to ME, and I don't fit the demographic I just told to leave.)

The short answer Sulkair - Nobody can give you those answers, but assume the worst.

Originally Posted by ClearCreek

Spoken like a true single engine taxiing, hat wearing and extending the duty day to "get the folks home" kinda guy. People like you are why we leave $80 to $120 on the table every hour we fly. I'm sure there is a nasty seatback pocket you should be cleaning out for free somewhere. Get to it!

Originally Posted by ClearCreek

Spoken like a true single engine taxiing, hat wearing and extending the duty day to "get the folks home" kinda guy. People like you are why we leave $80 to $120 on the table every hour we fly. I'm sure there is a nasty seatback pocket you should be cleaning out for free somewhere. Get to it!

Originally Posted by ClearCreek

Voting in ALPA is easy.
Getting our whipped pilot group to stand up to management will be impossible. They think we are a joke and in terms of the rest of the industry we are. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Originally Posted by Missed Appch

FAPA has already got a response. Once again, we have to wait...........

The quick upgrade thing is a farce (as you seem to know). You can upgrade at Delta just as fast as you can at Frontier these days. People need to wake up.

Originally Posted by ClearCreek

Spoken like a true single engine taxiing, hat wearing and extending the duty day to "get the folks home" kinda guy. People like you are why we leave $80 to $120 on the table every hour we fly. I'm sure there is a nasty seatback pocket you should be cleaning out for free somewhere. Get to it!