For anyone who is curious about the schedules, let me remind them that these folks saying they're "bad", are saying so in a relative sense. The truth is Frontier is no longer a Denver-centric airline and the schedules reflect that.

Keeping in mind that April is a 30 day bid month, our schedules are pretty decent. System wide days off averages 15 days off. Denver bid packs only contain three 12 day off lines, eight 13 day off lines, sixty-six 14 day off lines. Basically if you bid in the top 60%, you are guaranteed at least half the month off. ORD is even better with NO 12 day lines and a couple 13 day lines. The top 80% line holders will have 15+ days off. It seems to me our overnights are better next month too, lots of long Punta Cana and Cancun, some 30 hour Portland and Seattle overnights.

I won't ever defend the pay here, it is atrocious. Schedules tho, are not much of a legit gripe unless you've been here for 5+ years.

 

Thanks for the insight, schedules sound great.

 

For myself the issue is the average line credit is generally hovering around guarantee. Couple guarantee with our lacking hourly rates, laughable medical coverage/surcharges, and another 10% just to get a 5% salary match then I need to be picking up flying to stay ahead financially.

This is the only place I've worked where people brag about banking 120+ credit... Until I look at their month details just to find out they've picked up flying over a vacation week and are down to min days off. Are you kidding me? Do you think you really got them on that one? Hey, I get it.. I need a lot of credit too to make this place work for me, but to brag about it? What have you accomplished? Is daddy proud of you now? Come on.. No pilot here is making great money. End of conversation.

We've got a lot of work to do. Both with a CBA and the mindset of our pilot group.

 

Why are you still here?

 

Thanks for sharing and your thoughts.

 

Barley is right! To make up some of the difference in pay we are working our asses off on vacation. That being said, I would like to take my vacations and make a decent wage at the same time like other major airlines.

 

This is exactly what he's talking about. I hate posting here but I hate these type of responses even more! Why are people complacent with being at the bottom?

 

Being at the bottom? Pay scales, yes but nobody has any idea what works for anyone else. Commuting, seniority, schedules, etc all come into play with regard to job satisfaction. After 4 layoffs I'm not looking to be on the bottom of another seniority list and would change careers before commuting. That's just what works for me. Will the payrates change? Of course and I would glady strike tommorrow. Do you think the SWA pilots in the 90s should have moved on? If they didn't they ended up having a great career. I haven't meet a better group of pilots to work with and enjoy my job. I wouldn't trade that for payrates.

 

Forget SWA, they had an advantage post 9/11 that nobody will ever have again,fuel hedges. They grew when every other airline was struggling to Survive. Legacy airlines are not going to allow Spirit & F9 to grow grow like SWA Was able to

 

The only similarity I referred to was pay scales. I didnt say F9s future would mirror SWAs. Should they have moved on because they had the lowest pay scales?

I have discussed this with a couple friends who have been at SWA for 20+ years. Their advice was to pick an airline with a culture you enjoy and cross your fingers. The industry will figure everything out for itself.