Frontier Hiring.
03-06-2016 | 05:49 AM
#4211
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I'm using the February, 2016 seniority list. It shows we have 960 pilots. At 37.5% you'd be #360 on the list. Our #360 pilot was hired in November, 2003. A relative seniority integration would put you ahead of a 12-1/2 year captain.
Yes, I'd say you'd do well.
For further reference, the top 10% of our list ends with folks hired in November, 1998.
Yes, I'd say you'd do well.
For further reference, the top 10% of our list ends with folks hired in November, 1998.
Would an SLI be done by DOH?
03-06-2016 | 07:31 AM
#4212
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Since we share the single fleet-type business model, that makes things quite a bit more simple. It would probably amount to a relative seniority integration with CA seat locks (in base) and FO base locks for an agreed upon lengths of time. Things get more complicated when one successful airline is merging with a failing one, or in the case of dissimilar fleet types; but Frontier and Spirit are similar and profitable. And since both are currently growing organically, the argument would be, "why now?"
I wouldn't hold my breath, I think a merger is still a couple years away. A merger will initially sting for pilots (of middle seniority) on both sides, but really it is about the most level playing field you could ask for; and there seems to be a mutual respect between the Spirit and Frontier pilot groups.
I wouldn't hold my breath, I think a merger is still a couple years away. A merger will initially sting for pilots (of middle seniority) on both sides, but really it is about the most level playing field you could ask for; and there seems to be a mutual respect between the Spirit and Frontier pilot groups.
03-06-2016 | 08:39 AM
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Since we share the single fleet-type business model, that makes things quite a bit more simple. It would probably amount to a relative seniority integration with CA seat locks (in base) and FO base locks for an agreed upon lengths of time. Things get more complicated when one successful airline is merging with a failing one, or in the case of dissimilar fleet types; but Frontier and Spirit are similar and profitable. And since both are currently growing organically, the argument would be, "why now?"
I wouldn't hold my breath, I think a merger is still a couple years away. A merger will initially sting for pilots (of middle seniority) on both sides, but really it is about the most level playing field you could ask for; and there seems to be a mutual respect between the Spirit and Frontier pilot groups.
I wouldn't hold my breath, I think a merger is still a couple years away. A merger will initially sting for pilots (of middle seniority) on both sides, but really it is about the most level playing field you could ask for; and there seems to be a mutual respect between the Spirit and Frontier pilot groups.
03-06-2016 | 09:01 AM
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I think I understand this, but is the reason seat locks occur in a merger because in any SLI there is going to be elements that can no longer technically hold what they held in their single list? Whether base, or seat? So it mainly just freezes things up for a period to allow things to naturally settle without bumping people around or downgrading newer CA's?
03-06-2016 | 09:03 AM
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03-06-2016 | 09:04 AM
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Both airlines operate under "status quo" (i.e. current contracts) until a new CBA is ratified amongst the new pilot group, but before that a union merger must occur. And somewhere in the mix you have to throw in the agreement for the seniority list integration.
03-06-2016 | 09:28 AM
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Thanks guys. And I know this is highly speculative stuff and not really worth the brain power expended, but what are your thoughts wrt bases? Do you see any obvious redundancies that would necessitate a closure here or there? I mean hopefully not, but anything glaring?
03-06-2016 | 10:35 AM
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Spirit: ACY DTW DFW FLL LAS ORD
I think it would effect focus cities but not bases immediately. You wouldn't think we'd carry ACY TTN and PHL, but then again that's the epicenter of the nation's population, so who knows.
Frontier has put a lot of focus on MIA, would that continue with a large presence in FLL? No idea.
Both Spirit and Frontier want/need ORD gate space badly, I definitely don't see that shrinking.
And obviously combining our presence in LAS would be a welcome marriage.
Overall it is a pretty good fit and a merged company would have the flexibility to choose which airports will remain focus cities/bases without merger conditions set by the DOJ.
03-06-2016 | 12:48 PM
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Anyone talking about merging and seniority mergers, and where they would fall, I think is way premature.
We, Frontier, only had 630 some pilots in Oct 2013 and now we have 1000. A rumor is 250-300 newhires this year alone. (I find this one hard to believe). But it will be at least close to 200. And we are going to grow like this for several more years. So our relative seniority is going to change drastically. A snapshot now is pretty worthless.
I doubt if we will merge anytime soon or if at all. But if we do we'd be at least around 1400 pilots when it happens with the middle hired in April 2014.
We, Frontier, only had 630 some pilots in Oct 2013 and now we have 1000. A rumor is 250-300 newhires this year alone. (I find this one hard to believe). But it will be at least close to 200. And we are going to grow like this for several more years. So our relative seniority is going to change drastically. A snapshot now is pretty worthless.
I doubt if we will merge anytime soon or if at all. But if we do we'd be at least around 1400 pilots when it happens with the middle hired in April 2014.
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