Frontier Hiring.
08-27-2016 | 02:54 PM
#5262
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This is an unfortunate reality for many of the new hires. A lot of us saw the immediate need to jump ship from the regionals and frontier happened to be the first place that offered a class date. Trust me, you'd have to be a real douche to shill for frontier like some of the guys on here. I'm ashamed to fly any of our fleet for our rates and junk contract but flying a packed 321 across the country for the laughable rates is truly embarrassing. I don't blame anyone for wanting to grab a quick type rating but to want to stay with what is going on here is poor judgment in my opinion.
My $0.02...
Making the jump to F9 was my best option I had. I was at a regional and had been there for about 2 years (military prior). Had my stuff out at all the majors, Spirit, Virgin, etc. Not a sniff. F9 was the first and only interest I received to date.
Now here, Frontier is a better place for me. First year pay here is better than 2nd year pay at XJT (when I was there) and will only get better. And, my upgrade chances are probably a couple of years faster. The hotels are actually worse as is parts of the contract. But, I knew that going in. Had I been some 15+ year CA there, making the jump probably wouldn't have made sense.
To me, arguing back and forth about coming here or not is senseless as it's case by case.
The one issue we should ALL agree on, whether your here or not, is that the pay is outdated. As this industry is just one big game of leap frog, it's now our turn to jump and since there's no way any of us will accept concessions, it's only going to get better.
Instead of bickering, we should all be united...
08-27-2016 | 06:26 PM
#5263
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To me, arguing back and forth about coming here or not is senseless as it's case by case.
The one issue we should ALL agree on, whether your here or not, is that the pay is outdated. As this industry is just one big game of leap frog, it's now our turn to jump and since there's no way any of us will accept concessions, it's only going to get better.
Instead of bickering, we should all be united...
08-28-2016 | 07:52 AM
#5264
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From: A320/CA
I would recommend calling Scott at 720-841-0330 or Lisette at 213-221-5393. They each run crash pads that have private rooms. Crashpad 411 has some more traditional bunk bed crash pads. I think the extra money for a private room is worth it considering you're in training and not just sitting reserve. You will need a car, or a friend with one, though. Good luck and welcome aboard.
08-30-2016 | 08:50 AM
#5265
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The first bolded part answers the question you ask in the second bolded part....
08-30-2016 | 10:41 AM
#5267
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The training contract would be very difficult, if not impossible, to enforce and I haven't heard of anyone leaving and paying the piper.
It is a recruiting tool to help them filter out the applicants "wasting their time." And for about 50% of the people who sign it, and can't afford to risk the money, it is a tool for new-hire retention. People will still come to recruiting events knowing the training contract is garbage and new-hires will still leave for a better paying airlines, because it is worth the extremely low risk. The pilot pay here is offensive. The management team from the executive level to the chief pilot's office may be genuinely delusional - they still seem to believe the pay here is justifiable, it's outrageous. People are looking past the growth and the "potential" of F9 and are leaving for something concrete. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
It is a recruiting tool to help them filter out the applicants "wasting their time." And for about 50% of the people who sign it, and can't afford to risk the money, it is a tool for new-hire retention. People will still come to recruiting events knowing the training contract is garbage and new-hires will still leave for a better paying airlines, because it is worth the extremely low risk. The pilot pay here is offensive. The management team from the executive level to the chief pilot's office may be genuinely delusional - they still seem to believe the pay here is justifiable, it's outrageous. People are looking past the growth and the "potential" of F9 and are leaving for something concrete. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
08-30-2016 | 12:24 PM
#5268
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From: 7ERB
The training contract would be very difficult, if not impossible, to enforce and I haven't heard of anyone leaving and paying the piper.
It is a recruiting tool to help them filter out the applicants "wasting their time." And for about 50% of the people who sign it, and can't afford to risk the money, it is a tool for new-hire retention. People will still come to recruiting events knowing the training contract is garbage and new-hires will still leave for a better paying airlines, because it is worth the extremely low risk. The pilot pay here is offensive. The management team from the executive level to the chief pilot's office may be genuinely delusional - they still seem to believe the pay here is justifiable, it's outrageous. People are looking past the growth and the "potential" of F9 and are leaving for something concrete. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
It is a recruiting tool to help them filter out the applicants "wasting their time." And for about 50% of the people who sign it, and can't afford to risk the money, it is a tool for new-hire retention. People will still come to recruiting events knowing the training contract is garbage and new-hires will still leave for a better paying airlines, because it is worth the extremely low risk. The pilot pay here is offensive. The management team from the executive level to the chief pilot's office may be genuinely delusional - they still seem to believe the pay here is justifiable, it's outrageous. People are looking past the growth and the "potential" of F9 and are leaving for something concrete. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Fair warning to such "miserable and career ladder climbing" people, aviation is a small group of brothers. Best not step on each others RICHARDS. What goes around comes around.
Sorry if there is no validity to this, but I am sick of our "own" punishing us.
TEN
08-30-2016 | 02:00 PM
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You are curious... And you're not doing much to sway the people on here that think you're a management troll, but I'll entertain your question.
Empirical evidence and precedent. From my observation they haven't been enforcing the training contract. You can't establish a history of not enforcing contract language, it sets a precedent. This pilot group knows too well how powerful precedent can be in contract law. We've lost multiple grievances over violations of clear contract language in our CBA because of precedent. We didn't get the grievances filed soon enough and established a history of allowing the company to completely violate that language, we allowed the precedent to be set and precedent came back to bite us in the arse during arbitration.
Empirical evidence and precedent. From my observation they haven't been enforcing the training contract. You can't establish a history of not enforcing contract language, it sets a precedent. This pilot group knows too well how powerful precedent can be in contract law. We've lost multiple grievances over violations of clear contract language in our CBA because of precedent. We didn't get the grievances filed soon enough and established a history of allowing the company to completely violate that language, we allowed the precedent to be set and precedent came back to bite us in the arse during arbitration.
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