DrJekyll MrHyde

The training contract would be very difficult, if not impossible, to enforce and I haven't heard of anyone leaving and paying the piper.

It is a recruiting tool to help them filter out the applicants "wasting their time." And for about 50% of the people who sign it, and can't afford to risk the money, it is a tool for new-hire retention. People will still come to recruiting events knowing the training contract is garbage and new-hires will still leave for a better paying airlines, because it is worth the extremely low risk. The pilot pay here is offensive. The management team from the executive level to the chief pilot's office may be genuinely delusional - they still seem to believe the pay here is justifiable, it's outrageous. People are looking past the growth and the "potential" of F9 and are leaving for something concrete. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

TenYearsGone

Is it true the chief pilot is a Silver Spooned spoiled brat? JS explained to me that this BRAT is firing people immediately for giving in their 2 weeks notice.

Fair warning to such "miserable and career ladder climbing" people, aviation is a small group of brothers. Best not step on each others RICHARDS. What goes around comes around.

Sorry if there is no validity to this, but I am sick of our "own" punishing us.

TEN

Trowserchilli

What info is that statement based on?
Curious.

DrJekyll MrHyde

You are curious... And you're not doing much to sway the people on here that think you're a management troll, but I'll entertain your question.

Empirical evidence and precedent. From my observation they haven't been enforcing the training contract. You can't establish a history of not enforcing contract language, it sets a precedent. This pilot group knows too well how powerful precedent can be in contract law. We've lost multiple grievances over violations of clear contract language in our CBA because of precedent. We didn't get the grievances filed soon enough and established a history of allowing the company to completely violate that language, we allowed the precedent to be set and precedent came back to bite us in the arse during arbitration.

phoenix 23684

I wouldn't start taking law advice from pilots. If you want to know if the contract is enforceable go speak with a contracting lawyer. I have heard that it would be enforceable because you get a type out of it, again. I dont' know, also, how set is management in suing you?

singlepilot

I don't know how silver spooned but yes he is a multi millionaire. He has no need for the job just does it for fun. I have no issue with that at all good for him to be so blessed.
I do have an issue with the part that he could care less about negotiations and looking out for the pilot group.
He has his money so he could give a rats tail about the not so fortunate mortals trying to create their own fortune.
So long story short he's management's golden boy.

Aero1900

Obviously every contract and situation is different, but I will say that other airlines with training contracts have been able to enforce them. I would definitely not assume you will be able to get out of it! That's just stupid and risky. If you are lucky, you'll get out of it after paying legal fees. You might be able to set up a payment plan with low payment, but to think you'll get out of it because of precedent from past issues that are totally unrelated...

I know that good ol' Great Lakes training contract was fought all the way up to the Supreme Court of Wyoming, and the airline won. How about that for precedent.

Aero1900

Sounds like an awful lot of assumptions to me. I'm not here to defend him, but I think his level of involvement in negotiations is slim to none. He hasn't been present at the negotiating table once. If you want someone to blame, I recommend the VP of flight ops and our chairman

Trowserchilli

I'm not a management troll. People can say what they want I don't care. A guy comes on this board and tries to maintain an ounce of positivity and he's management. Whatever.
This contract issue will get tougher before it gets easier. Some on here are going to need help for depression.

Yeah I asked out of curiosity what you based your statement on. I was curious if an attorney told you something different than one told me. I had the contract reviewed by a law firm and was informed the contract is enforceable.
Whether they enforce it or not who knows.

GoneSterile

I am with ya, buddy! Screw these folks who think they must determine what I am comfortable working for. I am a Mesa pilot and I get a lot of **** from these people on here for that. Hopefully I can come fly the Airbus with you all. If we get contract raises, so be it. Until then, I will do my job to the best of my ability, including helping my airline be successful. Without the airline, we would not have jobs.