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08-16-2016, 12:33 PM

#5141

AncientAliens

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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker

I was told by a guy in the Aug class that they had it set up for 16, and 1 didn't show.

I start next month, and the rumor is 24 in that class. We are being told to bring our signed training contracts day one.

I don't fault anyone for coming here. There are aviation jobs much, much worse than F9. That being said, do yourselves and your new co-workers a favor and show up ready to fight on day one.

08-16-2016, 12:47 PM

#5142

OpenClimb

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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker

I'd love to know if they originally planned on 24 for August, then 8 called ahead of time to decline and then one more of the remaining 16 simply didn't show up.

I have virtually no contacts in the ground school end of the training department, so I've got no one to ask for accurate info.

Congrats on the class date Pulled, but keep your resume updated at the better airlines. You really don't want to be here for an entire career.

08-16-2016, 03:21 PM

#5143

Aero1900

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Position: 1900D CA

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Originally Posted by Shrek

UA 401K is our most valuable part of our contract IMO. 16% PRETAX gross gets payed by the airline into our account - not a match. So if I do NOTHING 16% per month goes in without a dime out of my pocket. Stretch that over career earning potential and the figure gets pretty big.

That is the environment that you are negotiating in and if you believe you deserve parity in the industry THAT is where the bar is set. When the MEC pickets in DEN I will be there - in unity.

Absolutely! We need much better hourly rates and a better 401k contribution. United's retirement contribution is killer. I'd say it's probably better than almost any other job out there. We appreciate the unity you offer. I'm sure we will be picketing in the future, and we'd love to have your support

08-16-2016, 06:25 PM

#5144

PulledBreaker

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Originally Posted by OpenClimb

You really don't want to be here for an entire career.

I understand what you are saying, but flying 24/7 on call charter isn't where I want to spend the rest of my career either. It's hard to be a dad doing that stuff.

08-16-2016, 06:54 PM

#5145

Firsttimeflyer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PulledBreaker

I understand what you are saying, but flying 24/7 on call charter isn't where I want to spend the rest of my career either. It's hard to be a dad doing that stuff.

Lots of much better paying airlines are hiring. Think of ULCC as a regional. Maybe less. Bottom line is some regionals pay more than F9, don't require a training contract and pay bonuses or offer chances to make it to a legacy. Start looking for better places to be even if it means being on a smaller aircraft, most likely those places will pay more and offer better QOL without the chained down feeling of a training contract.

08-16-2016, 08:24 PM

#5146

Arty13

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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

Think of ULCC as a regional. Maybe less.

Come on. Lil melodramatic, maybe? Other than a couple bucks year one, ULCC carriers blow any regional out of the water. I left a regional for F9. I'm ready to strike like most others, to fix our situation, but leaving my regional for F9 was one of the best decisions my family and I have ever made.

08-16-2016, 08:46 PM

#5147

PulledBreaker

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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

Is this a joke?

08-16-2016, 09:25 PM

#5148

turbojet28

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This place is way better than any regional. To say it's "less" I guess is in the eye of the beholder, but IMHO 95% of people will find this a good change from where ever they came from (other than the obvious first year pay).

08-17-2016, 12:47 AM

#5149

skater3260

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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

It will take a strike. Plain and simple.

In the mean time *****ing about first year pay anywhere is pointless. It's always been low the first year, everywhere, but we are the lowest.

Fixed it for you. Yes, it gets old listening to people complain about first-year pay right after they interviewed for the job. Guess what, they deserve to do so because what we offer is an embarrassment, and they're the ones that have to live with it. Rather than telling someone who will take home $25,000 after taxes to pound sand, eat a slice of humble pie yourself before posting. Our pay, ESPECIALLY first-year, sucks. We all understand the reasons why it is the way it is but at this point in time it's unacceptable.

08-17-2016, 10:30 AM

#5150

Jags026

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Everyone needs to just do what's best for them and their family. IMO F9 is hands down better than any regional. Does it need changes? Absolutely. Does first year pay suck? Of course. Second year pay is more than most regionals and third year is the same or more than most captain regional pay (unless you've been there forever).