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07-09-2016, 03:49 PM
#4901
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 387
Originally Posted by RockyMntAV8R
Driver, Thanks for all the insults. Just for the record I speculate no more than you as you continue to try to sell 67 as the only deal the pilots (and company) had. You information on why and how an 1113 court imposed concession would have played out is also pure speculation.
While Skybus may have used someone who had a different vision of fiscal responsibility, I would not have been the right person for the job, nothing against OSU but I am not a Buckey fan. I am sure however that every used car lot or telemarketing company would love to enlist a talent like yourself; upsale and slam the deal. The art of selling is truley a gift. It is safe to say we see things differently and I enjoy your post none the less. As the sun sets on another day how would you judge where we are today? I would judge our success or failures by an evaluation of our CBA to that of the industry, and I think you will be pleased by that standard as there is zero speculation in that! I'm signing off of this topic, but look forward to the next debate. I await all you insults. See you on the line. Rocky
While Skybus may have used someone who had a different vision of fiscal responsibility, I would not have been the right person for the job, nothing against OSU but I am not a Buckey fan. I am sure however that every used car lot or telemarketing company would love to enlist a talent like yourself; upsale and slam the deal. The art of selling is truley a gift. It is safe to say we see things differently and I enjoy your post none the less. As the sun sets on another day how would you judge where we are today? I would judge our success or failures by an evaluation of our CBA to that of the industry, and I think you will be pleased by that standard as there is zero speculation in that! I'm signing off of this topic, but look forward to the next debate. I await all you insults. See you on the line. Rocky
I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.
We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.
We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.
I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).
Won't happen again.
F9
07-09-2016, 04:05 PM
#4902
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 93
Originally Posted by F9 Driver
Peace Rocky.
I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.
We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.
We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.
I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).
Won't happen again.
F9
I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.
We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.
We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.
I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).
Won't happen again.
F9
Stop the presses! F9Driver apologized!
07-09-2016, 04:39 PM
#4903
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by F9 Driver
Peace Rocky.
I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.
We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.
We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.
I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).
Won't happen again.
F9
I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.
We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.
We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.
I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).
Won't happen again.
F9
Gonna Do My Part!!!! Motorboatin
07-09-2016, 08:38 PM
#4905
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,198
Originally Posted by ULLI
Depends on your situation. Are you FO or CA? If you are Mesa CA it will take you few years to make your money back. Defiantly don't count on 2 year upgrades. That's the only leverage management has when it comes to attracting pilots. It's basic math, we have 1000 pilots right now upgrades are going around 640ish. We would need at least 1600-1700 pilots. Min 3 years best scenario
07-09-2016, 09:03 PM
#4906
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Yes, I'm a CA, w2 said 62k this past year. I'm scared about the initial paycut
Once you get past 1st year pay, even with the pathetic Bus rates we have, you'll be where you are now financially. And F9 pay will go up and work-rules will improve IF YOU HELP US.
But obviously if you think you can do better, you might avoid an extra step by holding out. But if you're just ready to sit in front of your nose gear, and you don't mind a 2 year training contract, come on over, I think you'll be happy you did.
Besides the more battle hardened LAMA's we have here, the better, as far as I'm concerned.
07-10-2016, 01:43 AM
#4907
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 71
Originally Posted by F9 Driver
Peace Rocky.
I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.
We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.
We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.
I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).
Won't happen again.
F9
I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.
We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.
We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.
I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).
Won't happen again.
F9
Your post of peace will no doubt drive down the tone on this thread from everyone (myself included) and was a great move on getting us focused on the task at hand. Here's to unity!
Nice flight,
Rocky
07-10-2016, 09:02 AM
#4908
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Hates Commuting
Posts: 894
So, if I'm reading here correctly, F9 has implemented the long-threatened but heretofore unrealized training contract...?
How does that work? I think I saw $24K/2 years, yes? Is that prorated (leave after 12 months, say, and owe $12K)? How is it enforced? Has this question even been answered yet, i.e., has anyone pressed-to-test?
How does that work? I think I saw $24K/2 years, yes? Is that prorated (leave after 12 months, say, and owe $12K)? How is it enforced? Has this question even been answered yet, i.e., has anyone pressed-to-test?
07-10-2016, 11:37 AM
#4909
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: ce560
Posts: 231
Originally Posted by Jughead135
So, if I'm reading here correctly, F9 has implemented the long-threatened but heretofore unrealized training contract...?
How does that work? I think I saw $24K/2 years, yes? Is that prorated (leave after 12 months, say, and owe $12K)? How is it enforced? Has this question even been answered yet, i.e., has anyone pressed-to-test?
How does that work? I think I saw $24K/2 years, yes? Is that prorated (leave after 12 months, say, and owe $12K)? How is it enforced? Has this question even been answered yet, i.e., has anyone pressed-to-test?
07-10-2016, 02:30 PM
#4910
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: KCCO
Posts: 767
Originally Posted by singlepilot
I don't know but I heard in the June class it was not presented on day 1 of ground school. The CP came in and handed to the class on the very last day of ground school as everyone was about go home on break. IMO a horrible way to do it, what better way to prove it was now signed under duress. You have now quit your job and have been in class for over 3 weeks and now they finally hand it to you???***!
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