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Old 07-09-2016 | 04:04 AM
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Come on Guys, Unity is what we need. Don't take your frustrations out on eachother. This is going to be a long process, it always is. Unity.
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Old 07-09-2016 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerndog
I'm worried to see the first TA, I can assure you that it will not pass. I've been ALPA before and was crapped on to use your terms. If ALPA was serious about our negotiations they wouldn't have sent in the B team. I totally plan on a strike happening, there is no other way to get a industry standard contract. So far communications have sucked! Do you even work at F9? I bet not
I do not work for F9 but am an ALPA MIGS and from the sound of it you will be part of the problem and not the solution. I am at United.

If the communication is lacking volunteer for the F9 pilot group in some capacity. I am glad to hear that you are emotionally and financially prepared for a strike because that is what I see for your future.

The B team? When are LEC elections and put in somebody that is part of your "A" team. That is what I meant about bottom up structure. Anyways - I will be on your picket line whenever I am called - first coffee or beer is on me.
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Old 07-09-2016 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SpankysLadder
Come on Guys, Unity is what we need. Don't take your frustrations out on eachother. This is going to be a long process, it always is. Unity.
It's kind of hard to have any unity when people get jumped any time they something that MIGHT be considered negative about past practices of FAPA. It gets old and people are kinda sick of it.

How dare anyone have a different opinion...........
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Old 07-09-2016 | 08:55 AM
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So, is this still a place I should consider going to from Mesa?
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Old 07-09-2016 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
So, is this still a place I should consider going to from Mesa?
Depends on your situation. Are you FO or CA? If you are Mesa CA it will take you few years to make your money back. Defiantly don't count on 2 year upgrades. That's the only leverage management has when it comes to attracting pilots. It's basic math, we have 1000 pilots right now upgrades are going around 640ish. We would need at least 1600-1700 pilots. Min 3 years best scenario
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Old 07-09-2016 | 01:00 PM
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Won't the addition of planes starting this fall require lots of upgrades?
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Old 07-09-2016 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMntAV8R
Driver, Thanks for all the insults. Just for the record I speculate no more than you as you continue to try to sell 67 as the only deal the pilots (and company) had. You information on why and how an 1113 court imposed concession would have played out is also pure speculation.
While Skybus may have used someone who had a different vision of fiscal responsibility, I would not have been the right person for the job, nothing against OSU but I am not a Buckey fan. I am sure however that every used car lot or telemarketing company would love to enlist a talent like yourself; upsale and slam the deal. The art of selling is truley a gift. It is safe to say we see things differently and I enjoy your post none the less. As the sun sets on another day how would you judge where we are today? I would judge our success or failures by an evaluation of our CBA to that of the industry, and I think you will be pleased by that standard as there is zero speculation in that! I'm signing off of this topic, but look forward to the next debate. I await all you insults. See you on the line. Rocky
Peace Rocky.

I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.

We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.

We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.

I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).

Won't happen again.

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Old 07-09-2016 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
Peace Rocky.

I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.

We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.

We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.

I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).

Won't happen again.

F9

Stop the presses! F9Driver apologized!
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Old 07-09-2016 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
Peace Rocky.

I'm sorry I went there. I'm annoyed by management's treatment of us, and, what I perceive, pilots fixating on the past without offering any solution for the present - other than throwing rocks at the people who are trying to help.

We need unity, and, within limits, the facts can be interpreted correctly but different conclusions can be drawn from the same data.

We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I think we agree we need to get a much better deal than we live under now.

I'm sorry for the insults (I've actually sold used cars profitably - for myself, and did B2B telemarketing for two weeks in college).

Won't happen again.

F9
Good job F9..I've said some dooshey stuff lately too. All of us are tense and a little PO'd because of how we're being treated by the company. We're all worked up and we all have strong opinions. We need to unify and support each other's ideals and thoughts vs shooting them down. We are at Everest's mid-camp and the steep stuff is certainly in front of us. No one summits alone, it's a team effort. Let's keep that in mind as we move forward.
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Old 07-09-2016 | 05:26 PM
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How's hiring looking? What's the average time guys are getting interviews with? Any mid time first officers coming in? Need any inside recommendations Etc
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