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Old 11-07-2013 | 03:19 AM
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Default Frontier Indigo deal almost official

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/indigo-partners-says-pending-acquisition-033600622.html

Good news
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Old 11-07-2013 | 04:50 AM
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It's OUTSTANDING news!
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Old 11-07-2013 | 06:07 AM
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Are you sure about that?
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Old 11-07-2013 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Are you sure about that?
Are you sure you want to prognosticate Hockeypilot?


http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...tier-july.html

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The popular thought being pushed is the sale in part to private equity. They would operate and grow the airline for a period of time and then put it up as an IPO to regain there investment+. Similar to what was done to Spirit over the past few years.
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That is the dream world. In the real world the Airbuses get sold or returned to the leasers and the Frontier pilots get seats at Republic or furloughed just like the Midwest pilots. I'm sure reality is not very popular so you guys are dreaming of the above.
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Old 11-07-2013 | 07:38 AM
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I would consider this very good, but not great news.

The deal will close in December. We will finally be done with the nightmare RAH experiment but we are in for a challenging road ahead.

We do not know what the NMB will decide regarding the Single Transportation System.

We do not know what Indigo Partners has planned for us but I think it will be more like Ving Rames in the Pulp Fiction scene vs Jimmy Stewart in Its a Wonderful Life.

We still have operational challenges that are not going away any time soon (Denver, SWA, domestic economy etc)

The good news is we have the first deliveries of NEO's at the best entry price on the planet. We have smart management for the first time in our history. We have a pretty good story to tell wall street when we eventually IPO (did you see the revenue numbers for he third quarter?! 52% increase YOY).

Bottom line is the planets aligned and yet another miracle presented itself. Frontier is not only still here in 2013 we are poised for substantial growth (for us) in the next three or four years. I am not popping the champagne yet, its not even on ice. I will fill a glass to the rim only after we succeed at the NMB. Without that, none of this matters.
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Old 11-07-2013 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by zoooropa
I would consider this very good, but not great news.

The deal will close in December. We will finally be done with the nightmare RAH experiment but we are in for a challenging road ahead.

We do not know what the NMB will decide regarding the Single Transportation System.

We do not know what Indigo Partners has planned for us but I think it will be more like Ving Rames in the Pulp Fiction scene vs Jimmy Stewart in Its a Wonderful Life.

We still have operational challenges that are not going away any time soon (Denver, SWA, domestic economy etc)

The good news is we have the first deliveries of NEO's at the best entry price on the planet. We have smart management for the first time in our history. We have a pretty good story to tell wall street when we eventually IPO (did you see the revenue numbers for he third quarter?! 52% increase YOY).

Bottom line is the planets aligned and yet another miracle presented itself. Frontier is not only still here in 2013 we are poised for substantial growth (for us) in the next three or four years. I am not popping the champagne yet, its not even on ice. I will fill a glass to the rim only after we succeed at the NMB. Without that, none of this matters.
What is the case with the NMB? Is there a chance RAH pilots go with Frontier as well?
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Old 11-07-2013 | 08:37 AM
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Old 11-07-2013 | 10:16 AM
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I don't think there is any chance in hell that any Republic pilot will ever work for Frontier for obvious and various reasons. However, the NMB will dictate whether the Frontier pilots can vote for their own union representation or whether we will be stuck with the IBT, which has done nothing for the Frontier pilots except take our money and try to steal our jobs and give them to their regional counterparts. Either way, there is no way the NMB can force a separate company to hire against their will, plus there would never be a common CBA nor a transition agreement that would allow any RAH pilot to come to F9. Finally Bedford would never allow it. Heck he hasn't even allowed the IBT to get a decent contract in 10 years in their own business.
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Old 11-07-2013 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NC3rd
What is the case with the NMB? Is there a chance RAH pilots go with Frontier as well?
Is there a chance? Who knows. There really isn't any precedent that covers this situation. A holding company sold a wholly owned subsidiary to another non-air carrier. There is no air-carrier involved in the transaction other than Frontier Airlines, Inc. This isn't a covered transaction in the eyes of McCaskil-Bond or the two remaining LPP's of Allegheny Mowhawk.

The RAH pilots work under their own CBA.
The F9 pilots work under their own CBA.
There hasn't been any integration of the two airlines, in fact the two have been slowly become more separate over the past two years.

If RAH sold CHQ to Indigo it is obvious that the RAH pilots would go with CHQ as they are all employees of RAH and they all work under the same CBA.

RAH sold Frontier to Indigo, none of the RAH pilots are employees of Frontier as defined by the F9 pilots' CBA and none of the RAH pilots work under the F9 CBA. I don't see a mechanism for anyone other than F9 employees to "go with Frontier".

There is also the issue of "the 7 year fence" that ends in August of 2018. The IBT is currently attempting (yet again) to burrow under the 7 year fence and they continually refer to it as a "captain fence" even though that language is no where in the Eischen Award. If the Frontier pilots have "priority" for all Airbus flying until 2018 and the Airbus flying is sold, logic seems to dictate that the Frontier pilots will retain their priority and "go with Frontier".

We will find out soon enough.
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Old 11-07-2013 | 03:59 PM
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Does anyone know anything about Indigo Partners?? I tried but couldn't find anything on them.
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