Frontier Indigo deal almost official
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I would consider this very good, but not great news.
The deal will close in December. We will finally be done with the nightmare RAH experiment but we are in for a challenging road ahead.
We do not know what the NMB will decide regarding the Single Transportation System.
We do not know what Indigo Partners has planned for us but I think it will be more like Ving Rames in the Pulp Fiction scene vs Jimmy Stewart in Its a Wonderful Life.
We still have operational challenges that are not going away any time soon (Denver, SWA, domestic economy etc)
The good news is we have the first deliveries of NEO's at the best entry price on the planet. We have smart management for the first time in our history. We have a pretty good story to tell wall street when we eventually IPO (did you see the revenue numbers for he third quarter?! 52% increase YOY).
Bottom line is the planets aligned and yet another miracle presented itself. Frontier is not only still here in 2013 we are poised for substantial growth (for us) in the next three or four years. I am not popping the champagne yet, its not even on ice. I will fill a glass to the rim only after we succeed at the NMB. Without that, none of this matters.
The deal will close in December. We will finally be done with the nightmare RAH experiment but we are in for a challenging road ahead.
We do not know what the NMB will decide regarding the Single Transportation System.
We do not know what Indigo Partners has planned for us but I think it will be more like Ving Rames in the Pulp Fiction scene vs Jimmy Stewart in Its a Wonderful Life.
We still have operational challenges that are not going away any time soon (Denver, SWA, domestic economy etc)
The good news is we have the first deliveries of NEO's at the best entry price on the planet. We have smart management for the first time in our history. We have a pretty good story to tell wall street when we eventually IPO (did you see the revenue numbers for he third quarter?! 52% increase YOY).
Bottom line is the planets aligned and yet another miracle presented itself. Frontier is not only still here in 2013 we are poised for substantial growth (for us) in the next three or four years. I am not popping the champagne yet, its not even on ice. I will fill a glass to the rim only after we succeed at the NMB. Without that, none of this matters.
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I would consider this very good, but not great news.
The deal will close in December. We will finally be done with the nightmare RAH experiment but we are in for a challenging road ahead.
We do not know what the NMB will decide regarding the Single Transportation System.
We do not know what Indigo Partners has planned for us but I think it will be more like Ving Rames in the Pulp Fiction scene vs Jimmy Stewart in Its a Wonderful Life.
We still have operational challenges that are not going away any time soon (Denver, SWA, domestic economy etc)
The good news is we have the first deliveries of NEO's at the best entry price on the planet. We have smart management for the first time in our history. We have a pretty good story to tell wall street when we eventually IPO (did you see the revenue numbers for he third quarter?! 52% increase YOY).
Bottom line is the planets aligned and yet another miracle presented itself. Frontier is not only still here in 2013 we are poised for substantial growth (for us) in the next three or four years. I am not popping the champagne yet, its not even on ice. I will fill a glass to the rim only after we succeed at the NMB. Without that, none of this matters.
The deal will close in December. We will finally be done with the nightmare RAH experiment but we are in for a challenging road ahead.
We do not know what the NMB will decide regarding the Single Transportation System.
We do not know what Indigo Partners has planned for us but I think it will be more like Ving Rames in the Pulp Fiction scene vs Jimmy Stewart in Its a Wonderful Life.
We still have operational challenges that are not going away any time soon (Denver, SWA, domestic economy etc)
The good news is we have the first deliveries of NEO's at the best entry price on the planet. We have smart management for the first time in our history. We have a pretty good story to tell wall street when we eventually IPO (did you see the revenue numbers for he third quarter?! 52% increase YOY).
Bottom line is the planets aligned and yet another miracle presented itself. Frontier is not only still here in 2013 we are poised for substantial growth (for us) in the next three or four years. I am not popping the champagne yet, its not even on ice. I will fill a glass to the rim only after we succeed at the NMB. Without that, none of this matters.
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I don't think there is any chance in hell that any Republic pilot will ever work for Frontier for obvious and various reasons. However, the NMB will dictate whether the Frontier pilots can vote for their own union representation or whether we will be stuck with the IBT, which has done nothing for the Frontier pilots except take our money and try to steal our jobs and give them to their regional counterparts. Either way, there is no way the NMB can force a separate company to hire against their will, plus there would never be a common CBA nor a transition agreement that would allow any RAH pilot to come to F9. Finally Bedford would never allow it. Heck he hasn't even allowed the IBT to get a decent contract in 10 years in their own business.
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The RAH pilots work under their own CBA.
The F9 pilots work under their own CBA.
There hasn't been any integration of the two airlines, in fact the two have been slowly become more separate over the past two years.
If RAH sold CHQ to Indigo it is obvious that the RAH pilots would go with CHQ as they are all employees of RAH and they all work under the same CBA.
RAH sold Frontier to Indigo, none of the RAH pilots are employees of Frontier as defined by the F9 pilots' CBA and none of the RAH pilots work under the F9 CBA. I don't see a mechanism for anyone other than F9 employees to "go with Frontier".
There is also the issue of "the 7 year fence" that ends in August of 2018. The IBT is currently attempting (yet again) to burrow under the 7 year fence and they continually refer to it as a "captain fence" even though that language is no where in the Eischen Award. If the Frontier pilots have "priority" for all Airbus flying until 2018 and the Airbus flying is sold, logic seems to dictate that the Frontier pilots will retain their priority and "go with Frontier".
We will find out soon enough.
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