Sale of Frontier finalized
12-07-2013 | 09:02 PM
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Document 118 is third party document related to the LOA 67 negotiations. RAH and F9 requested that this document remain sealed due to the fact that RAH was trying to sell F9 and they wanted the highest price possible. The only thing you will learn as a result of the release of this document is the sale of F9 is final (which is why it is being released, the argument for keeping it sealed no longer exists).
12-07-2013 | 09:31 PM
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I think that is one of the big problems with this fantasy.
Who is going to file this petition with the NMB? Bolo, Zooroopa and some of the boys would like the federal government to come in and bust up a union shop, a Teamster's shop?
This is going to be entertaining I would suggest putting the same legal experts on retainer that got you in to this mess....
Who is going to file this petition with the NMB? Bolo, Zooroopa and some of the boys would like the federal government to come in and bust up a union shop, a Teamster's shop?
This is going to be entertaining I would suggest putting the same legal experts on retainer that got you in to this mess....
Even if you got a slot over there would you want to take it? Its a small group and they seem pretty close for the most part. Doesn't sound like to much fun to be "that guy" at a pretty small airline. At least with them being setup with EFB B now you wouldn't have a kit bag for people to defecate in every week, so you've at least got that going for you.
12-08-2013 | 02:57 AM
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Even if you got a slot over there would you want to take it? Its a small group and they seem pretty close for the most part. Doesn't sound like to much fun to be "that guy" at a pretty small airline. At least with them being setup with EFB B now you wouldn't have a kit bag for people to defecate in every week, so you've at least got that going for you.
12-08-2013 | 07:36 AM
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That's the thing the IBT fools don't seem to realize. If hell were to somehow freeze over and some RJ punks were awarded Airbus seats, their lives would be a living hell. That's assuming they even made it through training. The IBT should just accept the FACT that F9 is no longer any of their concern and go back to that awesome JetBlue or better contract that's just around the corner.
12-08-2013 | 07:48 AM
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That's the thing the IBT fools don't seem to realize. If hell were to somehow freeze over and some RJ punks were awarded Airbus seats, their lives would be a living hell. That's assuming they even made it through training. The IBT should just accept the FACT that F9 is no longer any of their concern and go back to that awesome JetBlue or better contract that's just around the corner.
12-08-2013 | 12:46 PM
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If he made it through an interview maybe you could too.
12-08-2013 | 06:14 PM
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Indigo did the "busting" and the holding company has fragmented. Frontier has absolutely no link to RAH. If you don't believe me maybe you will believe the IBT...
"According to press reports, the sale to Indigo is supposed to be finalized by the end of this month, November 2013. Indigo is a private equity firm, is not affiliated with RAH in any way, and intends to run Frontier as a stand alone carrier.
Given this recent significant change, the IBT ...asks the NMB to conduct an investigation of Frontier and Republic on the essential question of wether a single carrier still exists."
This is from a letter from the IBT to the NMB dated November 7th 2013. The IBT Airline Division was apparently trying to prevent the AFA from conducting an election prior to the closing of the sale of F9.
The F9 pilots will not be attempting to "bust up" a "union shop" any more than the IBT has just attempted to maintain their "union shop" with the RAH Flight Attendants. The IBT is trying to use the sale to insulate themselves from an election while the F9 pilots will use the sale to initiate an election. The fact that the IBT submitted this argument less than a month prior to FAPA petitioning the NMB with the same argument was an early Christmas present. Thank you very much IBT.
Finally, anyone can petition the IBT. The NMB Representation Manual states the following;
"Participants
Participants in a representation matter are: the carrier, any labor organization(s) or individual(s) seeking to represent a carrier’s employees or any incumbent representative of a carrier’s employees. The term “participant” includes parties defined below.
Parties are any labor organization(s) or individual(s) seeking to represent a carrier’s employees and any incumbent representative of the carrier’s employees.
One does not need to search too far back in history to find an example of an individual petitioning the NMB who is part of a class and craft that is already represented by a Union. These individuals were not "busting" a "Union shop", they were simply advocating for a different Union. In one well known case a Union member contacted the NMB asking how he could remove his current Union. The NMB sent the individual a representation manual and a template for Authorization Cards. The concept that "only a Union can petition the NMB" is ludicrous.
Thankfully we won't have to predict what the NMB will do for much longer. There are already three F9 craft and classes on the NMB's desk.
"According to press reports, the sale to Indigo is supposed to be finalized by the end of this month, November 2013. Indigo is a private equity firm, is not affiliated with RAH in any way, and intends to run Frontier as a stand alone carrier.
Given this recent significant change, the IBT ...asks the NMB to conduct an investigation of Frontier and Republic on the essential question of wether a single carrier still exists."
This is from a letter from the IBT to the NMB dated November 7th 2013. The IBT Airline Division was apparently trying to prevent the AFA from conducting an election prior to the closing of the sale of F9.
The F9 pilots will not be attempting to "bust up" a "union shop" any more than the IBT has just attempted to maintain their "union shop" with the RAH Flight Attendants. The IBT is trying to use the sale to insulate themselves from an election while the F9 pilots will use the sale to initiate an election. The fact that the IBT submitted this argument less than a month prior to FAPA petitioning the NMB with the same argument was an early Christmas present. Thank you very much IBT.
Finally, anyone can petition the IBT. The NMB Representation Manual states the following;
"Participants
Participants in a representation matter are: the carrier, any labor organization(s) or individual(s) seeking to represent a carrier’s employees or any incumbent representative of a carrier’s employees. The term “participant” includes parties defined below.
Parties are any labor organization(s) or individual(s) seeking to represent a carrier’s employees and any incumbent representative of the carrier’s employees.
One does not need to search too far back in history to find an example of an individual petitioning the NMB who is part of a class and craft that is already represented by a Union. These individuals were not "busting" a "Union shop", they were simply advocating for a different Union. In one well known case a Union member contacted the NMB asking how he could remove his current Union. The NMB sent the individual a representation manual and a template for Authorization Cards. The concept that "only a Union can petition the NMB" is ludicrous.
Thankfully we won't have to predict what the NMB will do for much longer. There are already three F9 craft and classes on the NMB's desk.
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Thank You ibt, your gift is most welcome.
12-09-2013 | 06:18 PM
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One does not need to search too far back in history to find an example of an individual petitioning the NMB who is part of a class and craft that is already represented by a Union. These individuals were not "busting" a "Union shop", they were simply advocating for a different Union. In one well known case a Union member contacted the NMB asking how he could remove his current Union. The NMB sent the individual a representation manual and a template for Authorization Cards. The concept that "only a Union can petition the NMB" is ludicrous.
12-09-2013 | 07:07 PM
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"SECTION 19: MEMBERSHIP
19.D.4
(4). No member shall engage in dual unionism or espouse dual unionism or disaffiliation, or be a party to any activity to secure the disestablishment of the Local Union as the collective bargaining agent for any employee.”
The operable word in the above sentence would be "member". Frontier employees almost 700 pilots, approximately 12 pilots have joined the IBT. The remaining 90% are free to do as they wish with regard to representation (and we are doing as we wish).
I am espousing. I am disaffiliating. I am a party of many activities to secure the disestablishment of the Local Union as the collective bargain agent. Proud of it, in fact.
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